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Post by Stacey on May 13, 2007 14:05:12 GMT
Probably been done before but I have a Sec D stallion that is a nightmare to keep weight on. He is only just 4 this time and is a late maturer, still growing upwards but as soon as I get a bit on him he runs himself up at the slightest bit of upset, even though outwardly he is seemingly laid back.
Any tips?
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Post by help on May 13, 2007 15:03:50 GMT
Probably doesnt help that its the covering season, maybe he'll get better later on in the summer.
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Post by welsh on May 13, 2007 16:23:57 GMT
having the same problem with my stallion, we put him on topspec which seemed to help but took him off as it sent him wild, and hes now on calm and condition and hes like a diferent pony, really easy to do at shows and concentrates now instead of think about the ladies
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Post by dl on May 13, 2007 17:57:19 GMT
i swear by yea sacc for weight it is what is in top spec without the rest of the tuff and much cheaper also DOESNT make them nutty
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Post by kubwa on May 13, 2007 18:11:42 GMT
Dodson & Horrell Build Up & NAF Pink Powders have worked for me although the latter can send some a bit hyper but not others!
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Post by why on May 13, 2007 18:47:00 GMT
IMO Unless its bred in the purple geld it or cover your mares with it and then geld it - is it just me - there are so many mediocre stallions out there that would make great geldings - i wish people would think about their animals and not about their own prestige
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Post by welsh on May 13, 2007 19:35:46 GMT
but some breeders like us like to give their stallions a change of career, ours has done inhand for a few years and is now starting out under saddle and so far has had good success. hes not covering any mares this year as we are giving the mares time off as they have had a few foals now and will be put back into foal next year.
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Post by Agree on May 13, 2007 20:15:45 GMT
IMO Unless its bred in the purple geld it or cover your mares with it and then geld it - is it just me - there are so many mediocre stallions out there that would make great geldings - i wish people would think about their animals and not about their own prestige I absoutly agree with what you have said, I have seen some shocking stallions inhand/ridden/or standing at stud that I would not take him if given to me, yet people are choosing to breed from them just for the sake of it. One of my pet hates is people showing stallions and keeping them entire without any intention of actually using it to cover a mare! why? because they think they will do better by showing a stallion. A good mare or gelding will beat a good stallion anyday. I know whis is off topic a little, sorry, whats the ponies breeding? some lines quite often take a lot longer to mature, some dont come into their own until 6/7.
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Post by Stacey on May 13, 2007 20:56:41 GMT
Yes 'IT' is very well bred, moves well and is fabulously put together. I have no intention to geld said animal, he will make a fine stallion and just needs time to mature. Please keep that sort of comment off of my thread, as it is just a deviation away from the actual topic. I am ultra critical of my stock and if I thought it was crap it would have been gelded along time ago. I'm guessing I'll see you in the riddens in a few years time, and then we'll see won't we LOL!
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Post by Agree on May 13, 2007 21:26:12 GMT
Calm down, why the sharp response, you asked for comments.
No one was telling you to geld your horse, or saying it was no good, people, myslef included was just making a general remark.
I asked your ponies breeding as it is a fact some are late maturers. It is also a fact that some lines produce some ponies with no depth and they will always look run up. It is a fact that some stallions just cant cope with being a stallion and unless absoulty stuffed with food (which no one is suggesting) then it will remain run up no matter what you do, its that time of year.
and no you wont be seeing me in the riddens I'm afraid, I just do the breeding, I have my jockeys on stand by so you may see my stock in the ring at some point im sure!
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Post by 123 on May 14, 2007 7:04:22 GMT
Try Baileys Outshine. It is absolutely fantastic at putting weight on with no fizz, I would recommend it 100%. We use it for all our show animals (and all the others aswell ) and it really helps with condition and shine. It works very quickly , you will see a difference almost immediately
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Post by Stacey on May 14, 2007 7:17:47 GMT
'Agree' - my reply wasn't aimed at you, as your reply was seemingly neutral, but the person before that. Their reply was suggestive that I only keep him entire for 'status' reasons, which did irritate me slightly, as they contradicted themselves at least once. He has lots of bone and a big frame, he didn't have the best start to life so is a bit behind. He has depth (I don't do 'pipey' bodies as anyone that knows me will know!) He has covered this year so it's understandable that he'd lose weight but I just wondered generally if there was a supplement which could assist with keeping it on now he is going into ridden work and has finished covering? Thanks for all your helpful comments
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Post by interested on May 14, 2007 9:11:38 GMT
Interested to hear the comments on this thread, as I have a cob, gelding!, which needs more condition without the fizz. Will look at the suggestions, thankyou.
Stacey, would be interested to see what you use & how you get on.
It was disappointing to read the other comments, going way off topic. Perhaps they should of started a new thread.
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Post by ME1 on May 14, 2007 9:14:18 GMT
Hi we had a very similair problem with a stallion once spring came. He got quite stressy and boxed walk a bit we cldnt get weight on him like we wanted. We are feeding him tiger oats which are fab fab fab. They have something in them which slows down digestion and so the pony puts on more weight. Definately worth a try!!
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Post by Stacey on May 14, 2007 10:51:05 GMT
Thanks for the comments, I'll give Tiger Oats a try!
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Post by pinecreststud on May 14, 2007 11:13:15 GMT
Hi stacey our sec b stallion for once has stressed weight off this yr, (could be becuse our sec d is covering as well this yr) but if you can get hold of saracen show improver that is fab also frickers condition mix is also great for top line and dropping the gut also dosent make them hipper. hope you get sorted. larraine
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Post by doldy on May 14, 2007 13:16:20 GMT
Calm & Condition, & Blue Chip
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Post by papahotchie on May 14, 2007 13:35:31 GMT
Stacey, Balanced Horse Feeds - Show Mix seems to work well also, and it is a complete food so all you have to do is feed the measured amount for increasing body weight...
Also makes life easy as you only have to buy one bag of food no extras, sugar beet, suppliments etc.....
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Post by Stacey on May 14, 2007 17:30:56 GMT
Funnily enough I was looking at the balanced horse feeds options the other day, will have a look. Cheers for all your comments
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Post by emmalouise on May 15, 2007 20:34:20 GMT
We used outshine on our 14hh, it worked within weeks and you could tell the difference straight away, but after a few more weeks, he started to change from the "saint" he was, and started bucking and humping all the time, became really bright and was a different pony! Has also happened with a few other people we know that use it..
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Post by welsh d on May 15, 2007 21:18:46 GMT
my welsh d stallion ive had for three seasons tried everything god gave but all he needed was time hes now 8!!!! and good dr green its only this year he looks spot on hes a big framed lad and was worth the wait.
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Post by hampshire on May 15, 2007 22:37:53 GMT
Personally I dont think you can beat Dodson and Horrell Build Up Mix - they look fantastic and still stay sensible
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Post by Stacey on May 16, 2007 9:05:34 GMT
Thanks again for all your comments, 'welsh D' I totally agree, he is going to have a leg at each corner and only time will bring this on, but I find it difficult seeing ponies in 'show condition' on a daily basis and then looking at him! He is by no means thin, he has a decent covering but is just a little on the lean side, which is understandable considering that he has covered and is about half an inch bum high again (will he ever stop growing?!) I've noticed a difference already since he's been in so hopefully in the next few months he'll build up a little bit
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Post by balance on May 16, 2007 19:34:44 GMT
Balanced horse feeds - Show mix is fab - esp for ''boys''
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Post by intrested on May 16, 2007 20:11:42 GMT
intrested to know what top spec product you used "welsh".was it the feed balencer that sent it sharp or the flakes?
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Post by welsh on May 16, 2007 21:39:46 GMT
we put him on the topspec super conditioning flakes, nothing sent him hypo before put him on this as he went loony, now on calm and condition and totally different
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Post by jdd on May 17, 2007 10:48:55 GMT
After much trial and error I have found my horse has put on the best condition and weight with the feed below, hasn't made her all fat belly but has helped loads with her bum, topline and condition as you have said about yours she used to run up if she got stressed and now seems fine.
FibreBeet (by speedibeet but has alfa in too) Alfa A Falcon Feeds equitona Blue Chip Soya Oil
I had her on calm and condition before but didn't have any effect on her at all but was great on my other horse!?
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Post by tigger on May 17, 2007 12:54:00 GMT
I've had the same problem with my welsh D mare which I have finally cracked! if they can be a little 'stressy' then quite often weight gain feeds by themselves dont always work. A lot of stressy horses can also have a slightly imbalanced gut meaning they dont always digest properly the feed that they get. This is why there are now so many feed balancers (ie blue chip top spec etc) on the market. I started using yea sacc as this is the main basic ingredient of most of the balancers - and as DL said its a lot cheaper! She's only been on it 3 weeks and has stayed on her usual diet - conditiong cubes, alfala oil and sugar beet - and finally is starting to look like a welsh D!!
My only regret is I 'knew' this information years ago but forgot all about it until recently so I'm kicking myself that I didnt try it earlier. For 2 years I have tried all sorts of different weight gain feeds but nothing made any difference. Now she is calmer and gaining weight at last!
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Post by Stacey on May 17, 2007 14:49:31 GMT
Where can I get Yea Sacc from? Sounds like exactly what I need, he is on Alfa Oil, Alfa Beet, cubes, baileys no1 and I've just added Allan & Page Weight Gain. He looks better already after a week of being in (he was out 24/7 before with ad lib haylage)
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Post by pinecreststud on May 17, 2007 18:43:35 GMT
dodson and horrel do it also dengie do if you do a search on google it will bring up the pages. Just ordered some for our sec b mare to help her it was going to be @£25 for a kilo bag/tub.
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