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Post by nickers in a twist on May 13, 2007 20:20:13 GMT
Any suggestions as to how I can get my D gelding to relax in a ridden class.He was backed as a 7 year old after a successful career inhand,now 8.Still does the occasional class where he does his job well and moves a treat.However the ridden is a different ball game.He is fine in walk and fairly strides out.But once into trot he becomes very tense and goes nowhere.Canter is slightly better but I know he can do better.He lives out and is on a D&H calm and condition fibre pencils,chaff and topspec calmer.I have tried short warm ups and very long warm ups but it makes no difference.Back ,teeth and saddle all checked.He is better outside than in but not sure what I can do more to relax him.
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Post by johnwayne on May 13, 2007 20:47:27 GMT
I would suggest riding him in as many different places as possible. Lots and lots of hacking, alone and in company. Get him used to overtaking, and being overtaken by, other horses. Forget the formal schooling for a while, and let him gain confidence out and about. and keep showing him. Hope this helps.
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Post by ednalad on May 13, 2007 21:00:32 GMT
give him a tube ( or half) of becalm before you put him on the lorry.....settles the guts well and really helps when you arrive at show.....worth a try... has worked well for a few or ours!
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Post by nickers in a twist on May 13, 2007 21:05:16 GMT
Where do you get Becalm from? At the moment we do more hacking than anything else as he gets to worked up in our microscopic school especially when the kids are whizzing about.
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Post by Enthusiast on May 13, 2007 21:19:39 GMT
A combination of "oldie" & "ednalad" sounds worth trying. Put him in as many different situations as possible but remain calm & maybe don't do the in-hand job until you have sorted the ridden, he wouldn't be the first that can't cope with both. I assume that some of your problems maybe from him being "razzed up" to be shown in-hand for such a long time, sounds as if he is a bit confused about what you are wanting from him. Keep at it though you will find the key
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Post by FAO enthusiast on May 13, 2007 21:29:42 GMT
A combination of "oldie" & "ednalad" sounds worth trying. Put him in as many different situations as possible but remain calm & maybe don't do the in-hand job until you have sorted the ridden, he wouldn't be the first that can't cope with both. I assume that some of your problems maybe from him being "razzed up" to be shown in-hand for such a long time, sounds as if he is a bit confused about what you are wanting from him. Keep at it though you will find the key Off topic I know, sorry for the hijack, enthusiast are you not due to'drop a foal' anytime now?
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Post by Enthusiast on May 13, 2007 21:39:57 GMT
A combination of "oldie" & "ednalad" sounds worth trying. Put him in as many different situations as possible but remain calm & maybe don't do the in-hand job until you have sorted the ridden, he wouldn't be the first that can't cope with both. I assume that some of your problems maybe from him being "razzed up" to be shown in-hand for such a long time, sounds as if he is a bit confused about what you are wanting from him. Keep at it though you will find the key Off topic I know, sorry for the hijack, enthusiast are you not due to'drop a foal' anytime now? Yes quite soon.......................
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Post by nickers in a twist on May 14, 2007 17:43:37 GMT
How do I get a hold of Becalm?And who makes it?
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Post by ednalad on May 14, 2007 18:01:47 GMT
good saddlers sell it......
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Post by defuse on May 14, 2007 18:19:48 GMT
Try defuse, you casn get it from supreme saddlery
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Post by armada on May 14, 2007 19:30:51 GMT
Dont know about be-calm, but so-calm is a wash out. Have heard defuse is very good and am going to try it on one of my youngsters who suffers from stress - very badly - in the ring.
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Post by little ol me on May 17, 2007 19:55:00 GMT
I experienced something similar happen to me about 6 years ago with a horse and tried everything. i finally got an osteopath to see the horse even though there did not appear to have a physical problem. mAGIC!!!!!! a different horse. Try it,it may work for you to.GOOD LUCK!!!!!
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Post by nickers in a twist on May 17, 2007 20:43:54 GMT
1st call when he arrived was to have the osteopath out,he sees him every 6 months.And just saw him in March.Annual teeth check is in 2 weeks time.Just got the defuse.The mixture is different from the last time I used it and really stinks.Looks like it will have to be a syringe job as no sane horse would wont to go near their food with that in it.Cant seem to get hold of Becalm.But must find something else as Topspec calmer is not really doing the job.
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Post by i know on May 17, 2007 21:07:07 GMT
i promise you it works NUPAFEED!!!!!!!!! i couldnt live without it. its expensive but you dont mind when you get the results.ring them and they will talk you through doseage leavels. you feed it in the feed morn and night then before a show i increase it a bit then give it a couple of the nupafeed boosters 2 hours before a class. you will neaver look back.i also lunge mine at a show.the number is01438861900.
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Post by skint on May 18, 2007 10:44:26 GMT
I bought Defuse thinking it would be a clear liquid but it is horrible like green snot, we gave the Section b some who hates wormers sringes etc and he wouldnt swallow just held it in his mouth even though we had his head up it was oozing thro his lips and we were heaving out guts up as it is so horrible - after all that performance also getting it on me, lead rope and various other places it didnt make a blind bit of difference but I suppose it depends on the pony
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Post by faberge on May 18, 2007 11:02:09 GMT
I agree with oldie, do lots of interesting things, hacking out as much as possible seeing different things, take to a show but do not compete just w alk him around to take in the sights, have you tried a calmer called Magic, think it is made by NAF, works a treat on a young pony we have out under saddle for the first time this year
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Post by dobbin on May 18, 2007 20:14:04 GMT
weve tried loads of calmers from daily powders to syringes ,last week brought magna calm from global tried there other one didnt work actually made our horse worse but magna calm brilliant different horse within a week our normally complete pain in the arse 2yr old arab filly is now calm relaxed and a joy to be with!! nupafeed is supposed to be good thats magnesium based too.....
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Post by dl on May 18, 2007 21:26:06 GMT
haha skint was that frankie he used to spit his wormers back in our faces. does anyone know if defuse magnesium based my pony is on nupa feed but dont think its got lack of mag just giddy itis (only at shows in initial go rounds) any ideas
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Post by so chilled on May 18, 2007 23:28:07 GMT
Our stresshead has been on a combination of GH Rigcalm & Ts Calmer for a few months now (RC because he was showing stallionish behaviour) I wasnt happy at having to use 2 different ones and it wasnt cheap. Put him on GH Magcalm, and he is still chilled, maybe even slightly more so, starting to adjust the dose. Another thumbs up from me
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Post by nickers in a twist on May 26, 2007 17:19:07 GMT
An update on the tense lad.He is no on Sokalm+,plus I gave him double a dose of Defuse.Took along to the local dressage night for socialisation.Still wound up indoors but less so than normal much more chilled out outdoors.May risk both our necks and try a test next month.
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Post by snowman on May 26, 2007 17:28:22 GMT
Resue Remedy - give it when you need it - the quantity you need - works v quicky and no huge bills ?? - def worth a try - i have tried and tested it on a few
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Post by nickers in a twist on May 26, 2007 18:43:52 GMT
How much rescue remedy does a 500kg cob need?
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Post by laidback on May 26, 2007 19:27:31 GMT
couple of drops and have some yourself, tastes quite nice
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Post by snowman on May 26, 2007 19:44:59 GMT
if it takes 3/5 drops for a person average person - 10 stone = 63kg - so about 30/35 drops - boots sell it about £5 - great value
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Post by laidback on May 26, 2007 20:56:01 GMT
the dilutation of rescue remedy and other homeopathic medicines are not related directly to the weight of the receipient, rather they are a dilution of the remedy.
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Post by skint on May 28, 2007 0:01:29 GMT
Thinking about it, the best that Frankie went was when he had rescue remedy and I gave some to my daughter as well. Think I am going to go back to using that - I put it on pony nuts to get it down him mind you have to feed him 5 dummy ones and then the one with the drops on it and thats your lot he wont touch another - I think he feels I am a serial poisoner. If anyone want to buy a bottle of dufuse with 60 ml used (one dose) let me know
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Post by guest 69 on May 30, 2007 15:09:33 GMT
nupafeed i dont particularly think that this is a very good calmer or stress remedy and it is very expensive for what it is! i tried it on one of mine that wouldnt trot or canter without stressing and bubbling what i did find helpful was a herbal one in a green tub stress care i think, i will double check and post it but i did feel it worked a treat.
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