swan
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Post by swan on May 27, 2007 18:09:14 GMT
any resultson show ponies/show hunter ponies
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Post by observer on May 29, 2007 8:22:25 GMT
Does anyone know who the photographer was at this show?
Thanks
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Post by marks on May 29, 2007 8:23:56 GMT
I have now seen the marks for the M & Ms, why is it that the confirmation mark was less and less as it went down the line , they only pulled in 10 and the rest came in as they wanted, but they managed to put themselves in nearly the correct order of confirmation how clever that was.
This judge needs a refresher course that was not a very bright move on her part, this should be sent to the society that manages this qualifier.
But yet again they will get away with it.
What idoits we all are to keep putting ourselves in to the lions mouth.
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Post by soso on May 29, 2007 9:06:00 GMT
I quite agree with all you say that judge let her self down.
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Post by See on May 29, 2007 9:25:39 GMT
I have now seen the marks for the M & Ms, why is it that the confirmation mark was less and less as it went down the line , they only pulled in 10 and the rest came in as they wanted, but they managed to put themselves in nearly the correct order of confirmation how clever that was. This judge needs a refresher course that was not a very bright move on her part, this should be sent to the society that manages this qualifier. But yet again they will get away with it. What idoits we all are to keep putting ourselves in to the lions mouth. See this is why I like the no pull system we have for the coloured HOYS classes now. I have a native who has done very well in hand, now doing a few hoys classes under saddle. I admit she doesn't go the best under saddle, so last year rarely got a high pull. Without exception her conformation mark would then be very low. This was often under the same judge who she had just won the in hand class half an hour earlier under! Her conformation mark was now much lower than ponies she had just beaten in hand. Now we have a no pull system, I feel she is getting a fairer conformation mark, OK her ride still isn't quite there yet, but she has started to get placed.
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Post by marks on May 29, 2007 10:02:45 GMT
What fun it would be to have them pulled in any how and then it would be so much more dramatic with the end result.
Is it in the rules that they have to pull them it in order first???
I wonder if these judges sometimes decide when the animal comes in the ring.
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Post by Swansea on May 29, 2007 10:15:48 GMT
Think Back to RW Hoys last year 2 judges didn't stand any where near each other on the first go round so no conferring on who would be in top slots pulled any order
Everyone Happy, why cant it always be like that simple enough format makes one wonder if some judges are not confident enough to go it alone for a Hoy class
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Post by clobo121082 on May 29, 2007 10:22:04 GMT
I dont think this is true. Many judges often would prefer to judge alone at the end of the day you then get the result you want! The trouble with 2 judges who dont always confer is you can get a very odd result often, a lack of type and consistency throughout the lineup. However i have also known judges to judge with another judge and to point out there favourite only to have it then slaughtered for no reason by the other judge to stop it winning! As the other judge has there own agenda etc. Personally i always prefer there being one judge but obviously time wise this is not usually viable. As for pulling in i can see pros and cons for both. I do quite like not getting pulled in as you never know then but as a judge i do think it is important that going round with the others certain ponies stand out from the crowd, isnt this the bit of 'star quality' we are all looking for??? otherwise they may as well come and stand in the middle straight away and what about those ponies that have gone badly round with the others??? surely it is important to pull so these can be put to the bottom.
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Post by Fair Judging on May 29, 2007 17:08:39 GMT
Does everyone think the judging was fair for the MnM ridden??? Personally i was a little disapointed as i only very low mark for conformation and i didnt think that my highland was that bad. I also thought that some of the shows were not the best yet they still got placed. Just wondered what everyone else thought.
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Post by agree on May 29, 2007 18:17:18 GMT
The judging was dreadful the confirmation mark went down as it went down the line, this woman needs her judgment looked at by an independent judge she even gave the last ponies that came in as there were low marks in order as they appeared in front of her, how can they poss have put themselves in order of confirmation as they came in , she has made a total mockery of the judging system. The BSPS should monitor this judge and how she marks in the future. The answer is to avoid her yes i am disgusted at this
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Post by Learn to spell on May 29, 2007 20:01:01 GMT
The judging was dreadful the confirmation mark went down as it went down the line, this woman needs her judgment looked at by an independent judge she even gave the last ponies that came in as there were low marks in order as they appeared in front of her, how can they poss have put themselves in order of confirmation as they came in , she has made a total mockery of the judging system. The BSPS should monitor this judge and how she marks in the future. The answer is to avoid her yes i am disgusted at this Please learn to spell!!!!!! It is CONFORMATION not confirmation!!Do I detect sour grapes here? No wonder no one wants to judge! The CONFORMATION judge is very highly respected and on several panels.
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Post by No faith anymore on May 29, 2007 20:02:29 GMT
I thought the ride judge was just as bad. Had heard good things about the ride judge but have come to the conclusion that I must have heard wrong. As for the conformation judge. Well a blind man could have done a better job
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Post by difficult on May 29, 2007 20:20:40 GMT
If you look at ride marks some of the highest were not the top ponies - it was the conformation that dictated some of the results - top placed ponies with lower ride marks still got in the top 6 because of their high conformation - that's what happens with a 50/50 mark split
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Post by obserer on May 29, 2007 20:47:33 GMT
I watched the classes and I think the judging was fair, particularly the ridden judge, if a pony did something wrong then it was put down, and it was consistant.
It seems to me if a judge puts up a pony that wrong legs it then they are at fault, when they put them down they are still at fault!
The cobs for example, there were some stunning ones in that class, the 2 at the top were lovely types, the cob stallion in particular was an out and out winner, he had a minor blip in his show hence he was droped a few places. Everything in that line up deserved to be there.
I had ponies in a couple of classes and we didnt come home with a rosette, our ponies did not go their best and were marked accordingly.
I think the judging overall was fair, they were not facey and judged 100% what they saw on the day.
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nono
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Post by nono on May 29, 2007 21:35:45 GMT
i to agreewith what won my class it was an out standing show from the se b,just thought the conformation given to ponies down the line was very unfair lower marks given to each pony futher down the line you were pulled
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Post by big fan on May 29, 2007 22:12:06 GMT
Sorry but the judging of the cobs was a total joke the top 2 were lovely cobs of similar stamp but then the 3rd could not have been more diffrent, the 3rd cob won and so it had to have had a good conformation mark and i truely cannot see how it could have stripped well i was told off earlier for making unkind remarks about this pony and i do not wish to offend anyone but the fact is that cob was not good enough to win i didnt get to see the mark sheet as it was not there when i asked, i was not in the D class i had a C there but i watched the class and there were some exellent shows that did not move up and the ponies looked very nice
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Post by bees honey on May 29, 2007 22:17:39 GMT
All one can do is to note the sort of judging that happened and do not go under them again. I know several people that told me not to bother, but i had blind faith.
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Post by pepsi on May 31, 2007 7:23:01 GMT
hi does anyone no who the photographer was?
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