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Post by mac on May 29, 2007 21:30:53 GMT
We have always stuck with the traditional show i.e trot the long side or diagonal canter one end change the rein, canter again, extend up the long side.
Recently at a WHP training day we were told many judges think this is boring and that we should do something different- e.g. canter circles, serpentines or change the rein through walk
Just interested to know judges opinions on this?
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Post by welsh on May 29, 2007 21:32:29 GMT
keep it short and simple and theres less chances of things going wrong a good pony will always stand out
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Post by Scotland NLI on May 29, 2007 21:43:04 GMT
Get them doing the serpintines, get them geared up for hacks and RH's
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Post by essendy on May 29, 2007 22:04:08 GMT
Mac did the instructor on the training day not give an alternative show?I stick with the simple short version.
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Post by doldy on May 30, 2007 8:29:27 GMT
It depends what class you are going, to me show ponies should trot a circle and canter a figure of eight. SHP`s, WHP`s & M&M`s should do a simple canter figure of eight with a good gallop. Intermediates/hacks should canter a serpentine, walk to canter and rein back if they can do it properly!
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Post by Not logged in on May 30, 2007 8:43:28 GMT
We had a different problem a few weeks ago. My daughter was pulled top in a strong class with about 19 in it. The steward told her to do a short show, and actually canter at the first corner. As this meant the gallop would be downhill she was a bit unhappy but did as she was told. The pony went beautifully. No other competitors were given this instruction and did their own thing.
We finished 6th and assumed that the judge decided she did not like him when stripped (funny as this is often where he pulls up). When we checked the marks she had marked down his show. I saw the other steward for that ring and it turns out the judge had not requested the show the steward said and assumed we kept the show short in case the pony was naughty!!
Fortunately we got the ticket a couple of weeks later...but would have preferred not to have done a 3 hour drive and get wet through because the judge and steward had not communicated!!
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Post by Guestless on May 30, 2007 10:03:48 GMT
David Blair had the open M&Ms cantering a circle on one rein prior to their extension at a show on Saturday - it was interesting to see some of the "old faithfuls" really mucking it up.
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Post by Dont really mind on May 30, 2007 10:40:37 GMT
To be honest it depends what horse I am on If it can do a longer show then why not? and on the babies I try to keep it as simple as possible. P Balch always requests a walk and halt in an open show.....I dont think this is a bad idea?
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Post by veryold on May 30, 2007 11:12:29 GMT
That is an interesting thought - judges asking for some different additions to the standard show. So many experienced ponies expect the standard show and it would find out which ones were really listening to their riders, rather than being on auto pilot. There was a tendency a few years ago to ask people to do their gallop first, but I haven't seen this happen for a while.
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Post by Cherrytop & Spicery Stud on May 30, 2007 11:17:02 GMT
We have been asked to walk away and trot back and carry one with the show several times this season. This has caught quite a fue out!
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Post by doldy on May 30, 2007 11:31:06 GMT
Often judges do set the show, and if you do it wrong you get marked down for it, this has happened to me before.
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Post by clobo121082 on May 30, 2007 11:40:20 GMT
I like having a set show as long as the judges then actually judge on what they have asked for. I have done a few classes were the judge has said do not go behind the line (or a certain point) and i have abdided by this only for other people to go behind the line and go up places. Surely it is one rule for all as otherwise people who folow the rules are at a distinct disadvantage! I like the RIHS as they always give you a good set show with something a bit different.
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Post by not logged in on May 30, 2007 11:54:49 GMT
We were in a strong SHP classwhere the judge lined up in open order and then asked for a set show which included a canter fig. 8 with a halt transition in the centre as you changed the rein (through trot and walk and back to canter) !!! One of the best set shows IMO as it sorted the well schooled and mannerly ponies from the set up and automated ones!
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Post by Guestless on May 30, 2007 12:04:14 GMT
We have been asked to walk away and trot back and carry one with the show several times this season. That's fairly standard up here for classes where the ponies aren't being stripped.
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Post by Cherrytop & Spicery Stud on May 30, 2007 12:42:35 GMT
We have been asked to walk away and trot back and carry one with the show several times this season. That's fairly standard up here for classes where the ponies aren't being stripped. Yes but the classes have been stripped
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Post by Taffy on May 30, 2007 13:07:23 GMT
Often, it has been said to me when I am judging that the rider didn't hear or didn't quite see what was asked of them.
Here's the suggestion to stop it all. Why cannot each show ask the judge what they prefer and then publish it outside the ring?
Would cure all those that think they gain from doing something different or those that try and get away with a minimum.
And it would be less work for the first in the line, who , I always feel, sometimes has an unfair disadvantage in being the guineapig!
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Post by Guestless on May 30, 2007 13:08:52 GMT
That's fairly standard up here for classes where the ponies aren't being stripped. Yes but the classes have been stripped Okay, but if the ponies are used to doing it for "non-stripping" classes then why would it catch anyone out? It's not like asking them to do something they aren't used to.
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Post by veronica on May 30, 2007 15:28:00 GMT
I have seen the walk away and trot back request completely confuse jockeys in first ridden classes,as they end up startng their show facing the "wrong" way Surely it shouldnt faze more experienced jockeys.
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Post by ferret on May 30, 2007 16:29:43 GMT
At the North of england the ints were asked to do different to the norm shows ...inc gallop first in Int sh ..serpentine in Int show rid types.......it did seem to sort them out !
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Post by ednalad on May 30, 2007 16:57:32 GMT
sometimes when im judging i will ask for a gallop after the first canter....its amazing how many ponies will not settle after this ......and be able to continue with a nicely schooled/well presented show on the other rein......
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Post by mac on May 30, 2007 21:55:05 GMT
Actually we have been trying the alternative show, slightly different each time, and the pony is going much better because he is not anticipating in the show. However I think some judges think you are an amateur and don't know what you are doing if you don't do the standard show.
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Post by Guestless on May 30, 2007 22:07:22 GMT
I think some judges think you are an amateur and don't know what you are doing if you don't do the standard show. Quite. I remember my pony was going particularly well last year so I risked a walk to canter which she did really well - judge comment was "she's a bit keen isn't she!"
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Post by low boredom threshold on May 30, 2007 22:27:34 GMT
Short shows please! As classes seem to be getting bigger the idea of serpentines and canter circles bores me to tears. Just look at PUK HOYS classes, after the first 10 doing their bit I lose the will to live, even if I have a pony in there!
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Post by lolly not signed in on May 31, 2007 7:56:14 GMT
OK what short show do you recommend
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Post by normally go by on May 31, 2007 8:24:34 GMT
Normally, walk away, trot, canter in the corner trot across the diagonal, canter the short side, extend up the long side.
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Post by fjudge on May 31, 2007 10:07:53 GMT
I agree...you dont want the judge to get bored of your show!!
I do this one -
Walk away, trot long side infront of judge, change rein in trot, canter in corner and change rein again, trot for a few strides until corner, canter on other rein, extend long side (usually behind pony line). If dont want to go behing pony line, then after first canter, keep trotting infornt of judge and pony line, then canter in next corner and extend on long side infornt of judge.
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