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Post by five on Jun 6, 2007 11:47:44 GMT
Fraid its time of year, age of colt thing. Some are well behaved others think themselves Kevin & Perry!! Practice at home and also some vic up the ponies nose often takes the edge off things.
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Post by skint on Jun 6, 2007 12:06:05 GMT
Sorry I know its serious for you but you make me laugh so much with your graphic descriptions. My newly gelded colt is the same the best thing I have tried is tapping it with a showcane well slapping it really he really hates it and afdter a few times instantly put it away when I waved the cane.
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Post by loganbenson on Jun 6, 2007 12:45:10 GMT
Hi!
My colt was just the same on Sunday. As soon as he left the lorry park he dropped it out.. and it stayed out until after our class!!!
Bit embarrasing when you are walking past mothers with buggies and young children!! Wouldnt mind but my lad is only about 13hhs and he has a willy as big as an elephants trunk!
I will certainly try the vic up the nose trick at my next show!
:0)
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Post by Jo Jenkins on Jun 6, 2007 13:08:57 GMT
I am sure all those who have written in have got real stars but.............I do think that far too many people keep their animals entire when if they where really really really honest with themselves they would know that they weren't real stallion potential. Then this would not be a problem. Very rarely do you see colts shown in-hand in hunter classes, I think these people are just more realistic. Also being bigger it is too much of a risk for them to be unruly.
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Post by scotland on Jun 6, 2007 13:19:06 GMT
I am sure all those who have written in have got real stars but.............I do think that far too many people keep their animals entire when if they where really really really honest with themselves they would know that they weren't real stallion potential. Then this would not be a problem. Very rarely do you see colts shown in-hand in hunter classes, I think these people are just more realistic. Also being bigger it is too much of a risk for them to be unruly. Ah, all very well! But what if they haven't got their bits yet! My yearling has still only one, so how can I cut him I would do what skint suggested with the cane, it's worked for us too!
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Post by loganbenson on Jun 6, 2007 13:22:36 GMT
hey thingie, I agree, I would not entertain keeping an animal entire if i did not consider it to be a proper stamp of pony, true to type and good bloodlines. The sire of my lad was a prolific winner when shown by the Nebo stud and he is the spit of him. Pic of him below, last summer.. Sunday's show was my lad's first outing and it was a big party for him to go to. He had perfect manners whilst out of the ring and inside ((except for the willy out)).. and I was more than pleased. It was a mixed youngstock class with fillies, geldings and colts and I was really happy with him. ((pic of Gweunydd Sionyn by lad's sire)).. ((pic of my boy Glanteifi Sionyn, last summer, showing off ! ) I have successfully shown my gelding, who is a section c, at county level and he's always done well, coming 5th at the Royal Welsh. my other boy.. Judges actually thought he was a stallion, he was gelding late by previous owners, about 4 i think, but he never covered... Bye for now Rach .x.
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Post by ummnli on Jun 6, 2007 13:43:50 GMT
if he is not going to be covering at all give rig calm from global herbs a try. according to the nice lady there is acts like a chemical castration. no banned substances, just makes them less hormonal. and not expensive either
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Post by papahotchie on Jun 6, 2007 17:36:14 GMT
Hi Overbent........great despcription......
2 suggestions for you..... 1. Christmas cracker water pistol....they are really small you can keep them in a pocket.... 2. Jif lemon squeezer....the one that is shaped like a lemon, that goes in your pocket too......
I mix water and a little lemon juice one quick squirt and they don't tend to draw again.......
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Post by ponygirl on Jun 6, 2007 18:32:23 GMT
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Post by dl on Jun 6, 2007 19:16:42 GMT
when i bought my first stallion from a stud they told me to put vasaline in his nose as it stops the smells i dont know if this works as i had him gelded straight away(theyd just licenced him so didnt want them to know i was doing this to ther beloved stallion) the stud did well at shows though so i guess it did
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Post by Enthusiast on Jun 6, 2007 19:22:00 GMT
Hi Overbent
Many years ago my stallion had the same problem when shown in-hand & then later we struggled with him under saddle, never a problem when the saddle was on or when we were stood in line, but the minute you came out to stand infront of the judge he would draw, & he knew there wasn't a d**n thing i could do about it!!!!
We tried Papahotchies suggestion but found that they didn't have enough "power" you had to get very close to make contact & that wasn't always safe. In the end we used sound association.
When you squirt the colt with the water pistol at home make a "noise" with something else, i used a tic tac box with some very small stones in it. They quickly learn to relate the "noise" to the "action" so you can use the "noise" when you are out showing.
It worked for me, although don't be fooled into just using the "noise" you may need to continue to reinforce this with the "action" when you are at home.
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Post by five on Jun 6, 2007 20:37:26 GMT
WE used to a frequent visitor to our old yard who insisted on smothering herself in expensive perfum befor she came. She always used to stand outside our stallions door and her perfume used to drive him wild!!
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Post by skint on Jun 6, 2007 22:16:32 GMT
Overbent I am killing myself writing this at your description of the workman are you sure he wasnt loitering hoping you would do the same to him. I could be what really rocks his boat. Still giggling - You ought to go back on all the threads and make up a book of incidents, hints and tips of a showing mum - It would make a fortune
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Post by mara on Jun 6, 2007 22:54:19 GMT
You also need to train them to drop when you need to wash them - you run the risk of making them refuse to let down when you need them to.
Dare I say it can be the handler - lady I know showed B's & D's very successfully until she retired & only had to growl at her D stallion for him to behave - she was very upset to see him getting drawn in the ring with his new owner (a man) when he'd never done it with her.
Teaching them to recognise their show bridle & thus manners are top of the agenda can be a useful way of dealing with it - these days clicker training which you can do with your tongue, or a growl as the trigger noise would probably be a good way to achieve it.
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Post by pho3nix on Jun 7, 2007 11:46:06 GMT
Any advice on how to control a 2 year old colts overactive willy in the showring? We squirt it with a water pistol at home, but i don't think the judge would be too impressed if i ran about waving my Dragon Morphin Power Rangers Water Blaster! I've tried drenching myself in Eucalyptus Oil to try and mask the female aroma's but it didn't work, infact it cleared my nasal passages to such an extent after i ran about with him i nearly passed out from oxygen overdose! Any tips would be gratefully recieved Vics up the nose works a treat.
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Post by papahotchie on Jun 7, 2007 14:14:28 GMT
mara...totally agree, a friend of mine who shows Welsh Cob stallions, says that he only ever uses the stallion bridle for showing....and covers using a special halter...he says that the stallions learn that "halter means= do the business" and "bridle means = show off!
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Post by skint on Jun 7, 2007 15:18:13 GMT
Overbent - has the workman been hanging around today with an expectant look on his face. Do let us know how you are going on with your colt.
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Post by colty on Jun 7, 2007 15:18:56 GMT
Echo pho3nix, I took my 2 year old colt to a show recently, his first since he's been out with mares and we didn't use Vicks but something called Pax? Can't remember properly but it's in a really old bottle and the label had rubbed off. He has a fantastic temperament anyway but he was an absolute angel, and kept it in the whole time with absolutely no coltish behaviour - there were stallions and 3 year old colts behaving much much worse than him.
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Post by ednalad on Jun 7, 2007 19:04:21 GMT
vic up the nose is good and takes away smells etc.... What we always do( and works too) is every time his todger comes out, push him backwards and keep doing so untill he puts it away... practice at home too...and when in the ring, do the same thing, push them backwards... i wouldnt advise smacking it with cane....can make many a colt nasty and even worse come on guys...would you stand all quiet and nice if someone smacked you with a cane on your todger??? !!!
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Post by Glen Mitchener on Jun 7, 2007 20:30:38 GMT
I find that, as said before, pushing the colt backwards or moving him sideways quite quickly usually works. The easiest way I find though is to keep a close eye on 'the object in question' and should it start to emerge in the line-up then immediately walk the colt round/move him so that he has to put it away. You will only usually have a problem if you allow him to get it out fully! However, some colts are just not destined to be show animals... well as colts anyway! We've used lavender oil around the nostrils before too, which seemed to work.
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Jun 9, 2007 7:33:38 GMT
Echo pho3nix, I took my 2 year old colt to a show recently, his first since he's been out with mares and we didn't use Vicks but something called Pax? Can't remember properly but it's in a really old bottle and the label had rubbed off. He has a fantastic temperament anyway but he was an absolute angel, and kept it in the whole time with absolutely no coltish behaviour - there were stallions and 3 year old colts behaving much much worse than him. www.paxhorse.co.ukWork brillant for stallion or highly strung and tense competition horses
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Post by jaz on Jun 13, 2007 10:15:20 GMT
Echo pho3nix, I took my 2 year old colt to a show recently, his first since he's been out with mares and we didn't use Vicks but something called Pax? Can't remember properly but it's in a really old bottle and the label had rubbed off. He has a fantastic temperament anyway but he was an absolute angel, and kept it in the whole time with absolutely no coltish behaviour - there were stallions and 3 year old colts behaving much much worse than him. How did you use the pax thing? Do you rub it on the ponies nose? Thanks
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Post by paddywack nli on Jun 13, 2007 20:38:26 GMT
Has anyone tried Pax? Looks good but never heard of it before
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Jun 13, 2007 21:27:53 GMT
Spray Pax into your hand, gently rub it with both hands, let pony smell it, the smell in your hands will last nearly all day (good for highly strung people,LOL). Don't rub it on their nose as it won't work because they can't smell from skin of their nose.
I had a sex crazy stallion who was very difficult to handle when covered mares, my mistake was when I let him smell PAX and he switch off not interesting in mares LOL, but he was back to normal next day. So don't use it for stallion when covering the mares
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Post by jaz on Jun 13, 2007 21:30:59 GMT
Thanks for the reply. Can it be used for the ridden horse?
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Jun 14, 2007 7:32:51 GMT
Yes you can use it for the ridden horses even in the show ring
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Post by jaz on Jun 14, 2007 7:42:14 GMT
Thank you so much for your help.
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