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[cayo]

My daughter benefitted this weekend at a show from what i saw as poor judgeing ,there had been strange goings on in the ridden all day with all classes being given what appeared to be a short dressage type show rather than a showing type show which would have shown off their type or breeds and its correctness in way of going for type ect instead it seemed the results were based on a dressage type score and all were expected to perform to same standard to win .
It also seemed they were running out of time towards the end of the day and in one class my girl was in had four of the riders from the previous class so judge said i have seen you all so we will judge this from go round ,now our horse was spooked in the arena and didnt go well at all in her individual in previous class as she was quite tence although she did decent dressage test performing all that was asked ,she did look tence and spooked a little she was fifth in that class ,now on the go round she was much happier and not tence or spooky a she thrives on groups and looked great but i know she would have come out and performed the same as in the last class but she did win this class off the go round now i felt that was unfair to the other competitors she went on to get a ridden championship and a reserve supreme ridden of show great on most occastions but on this one i didnt feel we deserved it as for one we shouldnt have won class that put her in the championship and two the championships where all judged by simply standing all the horses in the line and looking at them with two judges doing the champs and as both judges had not judged all the horses during the day to know just what they had infront of them it seemed a very unfair way of doing things,so while we came away with plenty of sashes and rosettes i dint feel we had achived anything which is sad how would you guys had felt about this .

[pimms'o'clock (Jess)]

I've had something similar happen to me at a show once, puk qualifiers so not a little pony show. I went into my first class and was asked the usual walk, trot, canter, change rein. Pulled into do individuals, again all very normal. Then just as he was about to place us he changed his mind, asked us all to cross our stirrups and do our go round again!! Equitation class fair enough but this wasnt!! We were placed (think i was second) and sent out. I was in the same ring again straight after, judge pulled me and a couple of others into the middle and told us he'd seen us once so to just line up until the placings, myself and another competitor simply had to laugh. Nothing queerer than folk!

[sarahp]

I don't really understand what you see as the difference between a "dressage type show" and a "showing show". All entrants in both showing and dressage should be judged on correctness of going which is universal as long as no advanced dressage manoeuvres are asked for in a show class.

[cayo]

Oct 31, 2011 12:37:43 GMT sarahp said:

I don't really understand what you see as the difference between a "dressage type show" and a "showing show". All entrants in both showing and dressage should be judged on correctness of going which is universal as long as no advanced dressage manoeuvres are asked for in a show class.

not really mms are not expected to go the same as say show ponies and cobs different to arabs ect yes they all need a certain level of schooling but there is a huge difference from dressage to showing which is why we chose to go showing and not to the dressage ,i wouldnt have minded had it been an equitation class but for mms ect it wasnt the right thing to be asking competitors to do in ridden showing class.

[sarahp]

Well I've done both for about 30 years and still don't agree - the only thing I'd say is that showing expects more extension if the individual breed is up for it, and you don't gallop in dressage, only go up to extended canter. Of course different types have different ways of going but judges of both should be able to deal with that. Many of the top showing riders have lessons from dressage instructors, a correct way of going is a correct way of going whatever you are riding.

It does sound as if there were timing problems though which is not ideal.

[tuppence]

I think that "Some you win, some you lose"
At the weekend Julie Templeton gave a talk and she put up a slide that said 80% of the time you are fairly judged and get exactly the right rossette. 10% of the time you get lucky and are higher then you deserve and 10% of the time you get stuffed!

[cayo]

Nov 2, 2011 16:08:04 GMT @tuppence said:

I think that "Some you win, some you lose"
At the weekend Julie Templeton gave a talk and she put up a slide that said 80% of the time you are fairly judged and get exactly the right rossette. 10% of the time you get lucky and are higher then you deserve and 10% of the time you get stuffed!

i like that must have been our get lucky week lol

[ponymum]

Cayo - at the end of the day , it was the judges decision.... we too have won classes we felt we shouldnt and also had the other side of this scenario......ultimately its down to the judge - dont beat yourself up about it xx

[sageandonion]

I don't know what the difference between dressage at the lower levels and showing is other than the gallop. Unless you were asked for piaffe and half pass which would be fun. I would find it interesting to hear what people think it is though.

[sarahp]

Never been asked for it of course in showing, and not a dressage movement but a schooling one, but I must admit that a pony that will leg yield easily at will in the go round can come in very useful sometimes to avoid other competitors with no consideration!

I always schooled mine to do what I asked when I asked, but I have seen some that are schooled to a set show and are flummoxed if asked to do anything else. I remember one brave and to be applauded ride judge at Olympia years ago asking for a set show that required galloping early on and doing more restrained stuff after the gallop, that sorted some of them out!

[cayo]

A gallop early on is a great idea and we have come across this too ,but what they were asked that weekend to me stopped the mm riders showing off the ponies to full advantage with regard to their paces as there was a lot of very short trots and halts not much canter and no gallop ,it did show how well schooled they were though but as we all know in showing its not always the best schooled that wins is it as action paces and presance all come into it doing the show that was asked did to me show them off well enough im not saying im right but thats just my opinion i would prefer to see i nice fluent show showing all paces at their best .

[sarahp]

Well maybe the judge that day rated proper schooling, which can be lacking, highly enough to ask for a show that required competitors to show him/her what they wanted to see. Or maybe the show was curtailed to show off all three paces but in a very short time if the show timing was already going awry. Down to the judge on the day.

Anyway, all done and dusted now for better or worse!

[cayo]

Nov 4, 2011 11:04:42 GMT sarahp said:

Well maybe the judge that day rated proper schooling, which can be lacking, highly enough to ask for a show that required competitors to show him/her what they wanted to see. Or maybe the show was curtailed to show off all three paces but in a very short time if the show timing was already going awry. Down to the judge on the day.

Anyway, all done and dusted now for better or worse!

maybe we will never know

[fanfarefan]

well i think i would have felt the same ,not your usual showing show ,as for the difference between showing and dressage it is my understanding having done both for many years ,that a show horse is a disciplined show off that says look at me and the dressage horse is submissive and does his correct movements when told in a cool calm fashion ,but correct me if im wrong !!!!