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Post by watchbank on Nov 11, 2011 21:59:28 GMT
So i took my section a yearling colt into a class for the pony to make best LR/FR under 12hh... and the one that beat me was 13hh to make 14.2hh fell pony, so how does that work?!?!  |
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Post by mcw on Nov 11, 2011 22:32:07 GMT
That's showing for you |
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Post by welshie1 on Nov 12, 2011 1:21:10 GMT
I know that feeling well, we've been beaten by 13hh ponys in a first ridden class where it clearly states not exc 128cm but hey ho thats showing lol.
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Post by 09rebel99 on Nov 12, 2011 7:20:54 GMT
Lol! Sorry but I think it's laughable, not for you I understand as you have paid your entries fair and square! Last year I got beaten in a riding pony class by 2 unplaited welshies??? I don't think the judge quite understood the term riding pony. Annoying but as stated above that's showing for you!!
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Post by fanfarefan on Nov 12, 2011 12:28:31 GMT
i took my miniature into a hunter / hunter pony class this season (his classification is miniature hunter) which he has won in the past on more than one occasion, and was told by the judge that she couldnt judge us as we werent plaited ,and that perhaps we ought to do the m+ m class instead -i couldnt get through to her that he wasnt an m+m and thatminiatures arent plaited !!!!
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Post by snowflake on Nov 12, 2011 17:53:51 GMT
Showing - I know it's a wonder we bother!  You've just got to laugh about it, there's nothing else you can do. |
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Post by pipandwill on Nov 12, 2011 18:32:57 GMT
Have to laugh, we went to a show the other day, beaten by a pony who went on the wrong leg every time?
showing ahy'e
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Post by armada on Nov 12, 2011 19:15:12 GMT
Lol! Sorry but I think it's laughable, not for you I understand as you have paid your entries fair and square! Last year I got beaten in a riding pony class by 2 unplaited welshies??? I don't think the judge quite understood the term riding pony. Annoying but as stated above that's showing for you!! In defence, it sometimes does seem odd, but I have judged at local level the 'Riding pony' classes and unfortunately, you are told by the show secs to judge what is in front of you, I have had unplaited natives, plaited natives and thoroughly badly conformed and conditioned 'Riding ponies' all mixed in the same class. Recently all I had in the 'show pony' class was an unplaited, and a plaited Welsh pony, I was asked to judge what was in front of me, so I did. For a lot of people, a riding pony is a pony you can ride, and a 'show pony' is anything you take to a show and enter. I try to explain gently, but some of the explanations I receive from competitors are so far from the actual criteria as to be from another planet, but they honestly believe the criteria fits, and it is futile to resist. Its even more irksome when you are in no position to do anything other than place the ponies, but you do as you are asked by the show secretary, and at local shows, its not affilliated, so the rules are somewhat more flexible. Dont think we all as local level dont know, we just dont have an option. |
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Post by horseylady on Nov 12, 2011 19:52:36 GMT
Lol! Sorry but I think it's laughable, not for you I understand as you have paid your entries fair and square! Last year I got beaten in a riding pony class by 2 unplaited welshies??? I don't think the judge quite understood the term riding pony. Annoying but as stated above that's showing for you!! In defence, it sometimes does seem odd, but I have judged at local level the 'Riding pony' classes and unfortunately, you are told by the show secs to judge what is in front of you, I have had unplaited natives, plaited natives and thoroughly badly conformed and conditioned 'Riding ponies' all mixed in the same class. Recently all I had in the 'show pony' class was an unplaited, and a plaited Welsh pony, I was asked to judge what was in front of me, so I did. For a lot of people, a riding pony is a pony you can ride, and a 'show pony' is anything you take to a show and enter. I try to explain gently, but some of the explanations I receive from competitors are so far from the actual criteria as to be from another planet, but they honestly believe the criteria fits, and it is futile to resist. Its even more irksome when you are in no position to do anything other than place the ponies, but you do as you are asked by the show secretary, and at local shows, its not affilliated, so the rules are somewhat more flexible. Dont think we all as local level dont know, we just dont have an option. very well said ;D |
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Post by helle on Nov 13, 2011 13:53:31 GMT
i took my miniature into a hunter / hunter pony class this season (his classification is miniature hunter) which he has won in the past on more than one occasion, and was told by the judge that she couldnt judge us as we werent plaited ,and that perhaps we ought to do the m+ m class instead -i couldnt get through to her that he wasnt an m+m and thatminiatures arent plaited !!!! ha,ha, we get this with our coloured miniature in the CHAPS classes, even though it is quite clearly written in their own rules. |
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Post by fanfarefan on Nov 13, 2011 14:32:44 GMT
the best one we had was a few years ago inthe best condition class, wre i presumptuously thought that we had a fairly good chance of coming well up the line maybe 1st -2nd ,well we came 5th ,not too bad you might think , but the judge pulled in a b----y donkey in 6th place, how does that work then lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 15:31:02 GMT
it was obviously unaffiliated? was it. If so they seem to make their own rules up.
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Post by watchbank on Nov 13, 2011 18:53:59 GMT
have also seen a non-coloured section b (registered, of which the wpcs dont allow coloureds to be registered unless wpb, this wasnt it was full sec b.... it won the coloured class?!!? cos it had a white spot on its bum!!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 13, 2011 19:06:04 GMT
I know that feeling well, we've been beaten by 13hh ponys in a first ridden class where it clearly states not exc 128cm but hey ho thats showing lol. Depends on show and if affiliated or not, shows need to word classes better and judges and secretaries communicate more on the day if an issue, our FR at local level is 13.2hh obviously affiliated is 128cm , but depends when and where etc x |
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Post by 4emms on Nov 14, 2011 12:43:36 GMT
I think some inexperienced stewards can complicate matters too.
Our local RC has a LR Showing class for plaiteds SP & SHP, and LR M&M which includes unregd M&M. At the last show the steward allowed unplaited M&Ms in the plaited class and despite having a copy of the schedule the judge picked an unplaited sec A over a SHP and a beautifully turned out LR SP.
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Post by Karen, garrettponies on Nov 14, 2011 15:12:44 GMT
I had the pleasure of judging an unaff show in spring, it was Fell Show really but they had all breeds, shapes and sizes there. In a novice class I had fells, show pony types, coloureds, new forests and an enormous sports horse type. Sometimes you don't know where to start! Very hard as they mostly all nice in there own way and type and there was probably 15 of them! The sec just said to me on the morning to 'go with my feelings' in each class as they knew each class would be a mish-mash of different sorts and ages. It was great fun but heartbreaking at the same time as given their own classes the placings would probably have been so different. At RC/PC level anything goes and you have to go with the flow and just enjoy it, take it on the chin and live to show another day. We were beaten in a LR class by a pony that spooked several times during the class and nearly had child off in the show. The judge said it had more 'presence' than mine. Hmmmmmm  I don't want my pony to have type of presence  |
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Post by greasedweasel on Nov 14, 2011 16:13:23 GMT
the best one we had was a few years ago inthe best condition class, wre i presumptuously thought that we had a fairly good chance of coming well up the line maybe 1st -2nd ,well we came 5th ,not too bad you might think , but the judge pulled in a b----y donkey in 6th place, how does that work then lol I don't understand why you would think this was so out of place, why shouldn't a donkey be placed in a best condition class? Have I missed something here? I have won a similar class with my mule and yes you could have tripped over the other competitors bottom lips.... |
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Post by Shortstuff on Nov 14, 2011 17:01:11 GMT
I think some inexperienced stewards complicate matters too. Our local RC has a LR Showing class for plaiteds SP & SHP, and LR M&M which includes unregd M&M. At the last show this steward (who is hoping to get on judging panels :0) allowed unplaited M&Ms in the plaited class and despite having a copy of the schedule the judge picked an unplaited sec A over a SHP and a beautifully turned out LR SP. I dont know where your local rc is but if its in Cheshire we could be the sec A people you are talking about. We went to our local rc in Sept and it was only our 2nd show. We did a class called l/r showing and the l/r m and m. We asked the secretary if we could go in both classes as obviously pony is a m and m and not a sp or shp. We were told yes thats fine, no rules to say otherwise . We did tell her it was only our second show and more than anything we just wanted the practice. We did not expect to win, we actually expected to be at the bottom end of the line. We won the class and beat a both a beautiful shp and a sp. Of course we were really really happy. We were told we could go into the class and like you say the steward made no effort to stop us. Since it was riding club level perhaps he didnt think it was that important, i dont know |
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Post by welsh69 on Nov 14, 2011 17:41:13 GMT
its not what you know its who you know in the showing world, that's why i do show jumping, its fair
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Post by fanfarefan on Nov 14, 2011 18:33:28 GMT
sorry greasedweasel but it was b/c horse or pony, no offence meant towards donkeys but i had never come across a donkey in the class before nor have i since ,and yes it was an unaffiliated class,
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Post by gypsy1 on Nov 15, 2011 20:55:28 GMT
My farvourite is
Competitors who can not see abetter horse/pony standing above them and moan and moan all day about it
some times i do think competitors need to open there eyes and stop being over proud parents ...
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 15, 2011 20:59:49 GMT
its not what you know its who you know in the showing world, that's why i do show jumping, its fair There are very fair judges out there too so find your post is tarring people with the same brush, i dont care who is on the horse or leading it it is about the horse ( except a rideability type class) so dont disrespect showing because its something you would rather not doo, plenty of bad things happen in show jumping too ........ and yes fiddling with times etc can go on there too ! |
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 15, 2011 21:00:59 GMT
My farvourite is Competitors who can not see abetter horse/pony standing above them and moan and moan all day about it some times i do think competitors need to open there eyes and stop being over proud parents ... hear Hear, remove the rose tinted specs and see animals for what they are and apprciate fact that not everyone will like the same ................ be boring if we did |
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Post by ilovemyponies on Nov 15, 2011 22:14:29 GMT
I find all these posts about judges quite tiresome now. I don't judge and never would so lets not forget whether we agree with the placings or not ( yes we moan on the way home sometimes) without these people we would have no shows to go to . |
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Post by watchbank on Nov 16, 2011 18:21:35 GMT
I find all these posts about judges quite tiresome now. I don't judge and never would so lets not forget whether we agree with the placings or not ( yes we moan on the way home sometimes) without these people we would have no shows to go to . Oh right, so we pay £8 for a class and he judges it wrong but thats ok cos i wouldnt have a show to go to without him judging me wrong!? I wouldnt of even gone if i knew he was gonna do that!!  |
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Post by LucyHebditch on Nov 16, 2011 18:35:28 GMT
At local level you get all shapes and sizes going into classes that may not be suitable for their breed and type... That's local level for you! Judges have to judge what is in front of them as apposed to what is most suitable for the class as usually, nothing is suitable for the class in terms of being in the 'correct class' for it's type and breed.
if you want your section A to have fair (using the term 'fair' lightly) judging then enter it for a higher level show where you will compete against other A's.
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Post by watchbank on Nov 16, 2011 19:30:53 GMT
At local level you get all shapes and sizes going into classes that may not be suitable for their breed and type... That's local level for you! Judges have to judge what is in front of them as apposed to what is most suitable for the class as usually, nothing is suitable for the class in terms of being in the 'correct class' for it's type and breed. if you want your section A to have fair (using the term 'fair' lightly) judging then enter it for a higher level show where you will compete against other A's. i didnt write it be bashed, its moaners area for a reason im just having a whinge... lol |
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Post by LucyHebditch on Nov 16, 2011 19:52:39 GMT
At local level you get all shapes and sizes going into classes that may not be suitable for their breed and type... That's local level for you! Judges have to judge what is in front of them as apposed to what is most suitable for the class as usually, nothing is suitable for the class in terms of being in the 'correct class' for it's type and breed. if you want your section A to have fair (using the term 'fair' lightly) judging then enter it for a higher level show where you will compete against other A's. I'm not bashing... You asked how that worked and I answered. i didnt write it be bashed, its moaners area for a reason im just having a whinge... lol |
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Post by a472 on Nov 18, 2011 13:25:50 GMT
I know what you mean - I saw a judge last year try to give the best fell pony rosette in an M&M class to a black Sec D! If you pay entry fees you do expect a degree of knowledge from the judge! Showing prep is hard work and you agree to be judged when you enter but they should at least know what they are looking at and what the class is.
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Post by sundance20 on Nov 18, 2011 15:13:10 GMT
beaten by an a in a c/d class once....
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You've just got to laugh about it, there's nothing else you can do.
I don't want my pony to have type of presence 
