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Post by Jessica on Nov 13, 2011 19:19:23 GMT
Has anyones dog had an allergic reaction to their first vaccinations?
Took my dog to the vet today and he 'fainted' two minutes after his jab??
Please Help!!
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Post by kayjayem on Nov 13, 2011 22:01:34 GMT
Your vet should immediately contact the drug company who manufactured the vaccine. It is very rare but not unheard off. What did the vet say? It could be an allergic reaction to the vaccine or a reaction to the stress, poor boy is he ok now?
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 14, 2011 15:38:03 GMT
yes, I had a dog that had quite a sever reaction. It wasn't his first though, it was his second. It is really rare that they have a reaction to the 1st one as it is normally a response to the anti bodies accumulated after the 1st injection, hence its the 2nd or 3rd that normally produce this.
you must discuss with your vet....
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Post by Jessica on Nov 14, 2011 16:13:12 GMT
We have spoken to the vet, they have suggested that it is very important to have his 2nd jab!!
he has said that it is very very rare! could happen to one bog in about every 5 years. very worring.
He is okay now, we are just dreading the 2nd!
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 14, 2011 18:05:04 GMT
To be honest, I would be worried too. In fact the boy of mine who had the reaction, I have actually stopped his annual vaccinations because of the severity of his reaction.
Vets rarely admit it is a reaction and the drug company's certainly wont.
Ask your vet if you can have the 2nd ones split. They use 2 different vials so perhaps one lot this week and the next lot the week after.
If he reacts again, steer well clear...
please let us know how you get on. It is rare admittedly, and in over 25 years with lots of dogs, I have only ever had it once...
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Post by Jessica on Nov 14, 2011 19:14:51 GMT
I Shall keep you updated, He hasnt got his second till the 18th... The vet did say that the second jab is weaker.. but shall we still ask for the spilt jab? We have another puppy who is having jabs at the same time, but no reaction. Very worrings, been in contact with his breeder, and another puppy of the same little had a fit after their first vaccination. He is a bullmastiff and dont want him being poorly  x |
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Post by viking on Nov 14, 2011 20:07:51 GMT
I would be worried too.
Pretty certain it was the cause of one of our pups taking fits.
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 15, 2011 13:44:29 GMT
I would definitely want the split injections.. don't let the vet brow beat you to having it in one go if thats not what you want...
the 2nd one being weaker!! never heard that before...
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 15, 2011 13:44:52 GMT
also find out who manufactured the drug and you can contact them directly...
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Post by Jessica on Nov 16, 2011 18:55:13 GMT
I would be worried too. Pretty certain it was the cause of one of our pups taking fits. is this still a recourring sitution, we are worried it is going to happen regulary. DazyCutter ... They said the second vaccination wont be as worse because he should have already bulit up an imuneaty (sp) to it. |
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Post by viking on Nov 16, 2011 22:33:09 GMT
He took the first odd turn almost straight away, from there it progressed to frightening full blown fits.
Once they were under control, he was on daily medication all his life.
A much loved little dog, but a challenge to keep him well.
I wouldn't go down that route again.
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Post by Jessica on Nov 17, 2011 7:28:21 GMT
So sorry to hear that viking, We are very worried about his second jab, We know its very important but dont want him being poorly..
Would you mind me asking what type of dog yours was?
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 17, 2011 9:52:48 GMT
ok, so its a bit sciency the theory behind vaccines is that if your dog is exposed to the real life disease, the body recognises the antigens and fights them with the antibodies it has built up by vaccinating.. There are 2 types of reactions... firstly an allergic reaction that raises in intensisty after repeated medication.. so when you give a vaccine or antigen into a naive immune system , The body will set up an immune response and fight these antigens by creating antibodies to the vaccine/disease.. so your woofer has these antibodies running around and when you give the second antigen, the antibodies go berserk - ie bad reaction The second type is with repeated administrations, the body causes less reactive affects as the body gets used to it..called a cytokine response... but dont ask me the sciency bit about that one  Vets are so keen to vaccinate and I understand why as the diseases we are vaccinating against do kill. You have to weigh up the risk benefit ratio. I do vaccinate all of mine (apart from my one boy who has only parvo) My friend only ever vaccinates as a pup and the 1st year and never again. I did not vaccinate my old girl this time as to be honest, she goes no where... Think about where you live and what you will be doing with your pooch. Its a really tough call to make as all the diseases we vaccinate against are deadly.. Serious reactions are extremely rare and I have never seen one that would be life threatening. however, there are always some such as Vikings dog. I would discuss your concerns with your vet and take his advice. good luck...  |
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Post by sarahp on Nov 17, 2011 11:01:11 GMT
Strictly speaking an allergic reaction is one where the body produces excess histamines in response to something it takes exception to, and yes, each time it happens the reaction is worse. I do know, I'm allergic to wasp stings and have to carry emergency adrenalin! I don't know though if this is what happened to your dog jessiica. The point of having two vaccinations is to build up the level of the antibodies to give good protection against the disease.
The other point of vaccinating in general is to build up a good level of immunity in the population as a whole so that the amount of the disease itself is lowered and the general risk is less. In humans there was very little whooping cough until the fuss about the MMR vacc happened and many didn't vaccinate their children, so now we are seeing far more whooping cough around.
An individual decision and one only you can make, in discussion with your vet and knowing what you will be doing with your dog, ie what level of risk he/she would be exposed to in the future.
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Post by Jessica on Nov 17, 2011 12:32:57 GMT
Thank You So much for your help, Just decided what to do about vaccinations, we dont want him being poorly, but we dont want to put him at risk. i think its something we need to think long and hard about, and way up the pros and cons of giving the vaccine and not giving it.
We have a small holding, and a very large garden. the dogs dont go far, they have the run of the garden, and the odd walk. We live in the middle of no where, and not any of our neighbours have dogs.
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 17, 2011 14:53:14 GMT
sarahp--- yes your right.. histamines are produced as a result of an allergic reaction.. I think I might have been a bit too technical..  There are 4 categories of allergic reactions.... first - immediate response causing release of histamines (dont think your dog had this) second... cytotoxic reactions from antibody reactions (more likely puppy had this) Third.. which is like an immune one and very complicated fourth are a sort of delayed reaction to sensitized cells (long term use) it is easy to get confused by what people see as being "allergic" to something and having an allergic or adverse drug reaction, although the mechansim is the same. Its a hugely complex area one, that I wish I knew more about. anyway enough of science... and again Sarah, I agree with the notion of herd immunity as we have practically wiped out so many nasty illnesses in both animals and humans... its such a tough call to make.. but worse case scenario, you may not have a dog left to inoculate :-( However.... Just be careful jessica and if you don't vaccinate, then watch very carefully for the necessary symptoms of the diseases that we vaccinate against. Dont forget, dogs/rats/badgers also carry and spread these diseases.... I would still be tempted to call up the drug company who make your vaccine and speak to a vet there.. I did and they are very happy to help. Its probably scherring or intervet.. i really wish you the best of luck with your little one... |
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Post by viking on Nov 17, 2011 15:09:23 GMT
Wishing you all the best too.
Ours was a Scottie puppy.
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Post by Jessica on Nov 17, 2011 18:06:47 GMT
Thank you for all your help, It is so complicated. we are going to have him vaccinated again for his second jab and see how he goes from there. Once again thank you xxx |
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Post by kayjayem on Nov 17, 2011 20:26:03 GMT
The initial vaccination course consits of 1 vaccination against leptovirus and one vacc against Lepto plus distemper, hepatitis, parvovirus and parainfluenza(DHPPI). If your dog had both components in the first vaccination he will only need the lepto for the second, this is probably what your vet meant by the second one being weaker and hopefully be OK with the second one. If he doesn't have a reaction it is possibile to only have the lepto vaccination in future but obviously he wont have full immunity to all the diseases. If you live in the middle of nowhere where he is not in contact with other dogs this could be a viable option but I would always vaccinate against leptospirosis as this is carried by rats and is a terrible disease, usually fatal.
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