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Post by picnictime on Jul 25, 2008 21:26:07 GMT
For anyone interested, the marks are below. I only have the large breeds though, not the other classes.
It might explain the reason why so many ponies who wrong legged it got rosettes, as there are only 5 marks separating the highest show mark and the lowest show mark. However the allocation of these 5 marks is not particularly consistent with the performance given - with ponies who did half a figure of 8 on the incorrect lead (or worse!) often scoring higher than those who did nothing wrong.
R C Total Comp # Place 45 38 83 0426 45 46 91 0062 2nd 44 38 82 1101 44 43 87 1097 8th 45 42 87 1127 7th 43 42 85 1385 44 44 88 0991 6th 42 40 82 1138 43 38 81 0594 43 39 82 0984 44 43 87 0918 46 45 91 0864 1st 43 36 79 0314 44 47 91 1137 3rd 42 44 86 0333 44 45 89 0357 4th 43 35 78 0807 42 35 77 0014 44 40 84 1191 42 41 83 0435 42 37 79 1336 43 40 83 1230 44 39 83 1426 43 46 89 0063 5th 42 36 78 1562
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Post by hairypony on Jul 25, 2008 22:15:33 GMT
Thanks for posting these marks, they is very interesting. It is very frustrating when judges do not use the full range of marks especially in a Ridden Championship Final where performance in particular should credited!
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fuhd
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Post by fuhd on Jul 26, 2008 10:45:39 GMT
Actually that is quite appalling at this level to only use a spread of 4 marks!! - might aswell just have had the conformation judge!!! - disheartening for those who did good shows and embaressing for those who did a lessser show but got a greater mark! If judges find themselves unable to use the mark system then perhaps socieites should put in an automatic penalty for things like wrong legs, napping etc - but only at top level - I think a good novice should always be allowed a woopsie! -any idea??
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Post by hairypony on Jul 26, 2008 13:12:15 GMT
I quite agree fuhd, a bit like in dressage where the mark has a verbal explanation eg 7/10 is "fairly good" etc.
Dressage judges have seminars to advise them how to mark each movement and how many marks to deduct for various imperfections of that movement. The same could be applied to the individual show. I think the above marks illustrate how this could improve the judging of ridden classes!
Perhaps the ride mark needs to be split into manners/way of going with regards breed type/performance?
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Post by jinja on Jul 27, 2008 17:03:24 GMT
Our pony did a beautifull show got 43 for show whilst some ponies that wrong legged it got 44 and 45, a bloody disgrace there can be no excuse for this type of judging
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Post by titch on Jul 27, 2008 22:08:46 GMT
What a shame all mistakes at this level should not be rewarded but penalised. I would never expect to get a placing in a picton with a wrong leg!!! Let alone in the Rihs final!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Bekx on Jul 28, 2008 9:34:58 GMT
I am afraid the result of the smalls class was the same, good shows were not rewarded with good marks, and complete poor first ridden style shows were given better marks.
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Post by dartylover on Jul 28, 2008 10:09:13 GMT
What a shame all mistakes at this level should not be rewarded but penalised. I would never expect to get a placing in a picton with a wrong leg!!! Let alone in the Rihs final!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well said, I would be rather embarrassed to be placed even in a picton if I went on the wrong leg, and was above others who did a foot perfect show. As you said let alone the RIHS. I know it wasn't the competitors fault, but the judges!!
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Post by Lulu on Jul 29, 2008 8:48:18 GMT
Our pony, in the Bs&Cs, did a correct show but was very flat and didn't really go forward like he normally does. Interestingly he got the same show mark as a pony who did a beautiful show and another pony who wrong-legged and disunited in canter. It makes a mockery of the judging system and there can be no excuse for this type of ride judging especially at this level. How often are these judges assessed or re-assessed or is that a silly question?
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Post by hairy on Jul 29, 2008 11:42:18 GMT
Who was judging the performance? i know P boustead was judging but dont know who was doing what, can anyone tell me?
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Post by jinja on Jul 29, 2008 13:58:44 GMT
Mrs R Rees I believe she breeds the Small land ponies
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Post by Rockstar on Jul 29, 2008 14:53:42 GMT
I think half of the problem was with the ring - the 'garden fence' that was up for the duration of the show for the Eventing Grand Prix later in the week covered up a huge amount of peoples shows. From the other side of the fence I am sure the judge missed a multitude of mistakes, wrong legs etc which were plainly visiable to the 'audience' but not to the judge.
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Post by picnictime on Jul 29, 2008 15:12:01 GMT
I was standing along the other hedge nearer the line up and all the wrong legs were clearly visible - even more so to the judge who was looking at them side on as opposed to from behind like i was.
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Post by noodles on Jul 29, 2008 15:51:58 GMT
mrs Rees was judging the ride and P. Boustead the conf
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Post by twinkle on Jul 29, 2008 15:55:14 GMT
i was a competitor and from standing inside the ring all the wrong legs and other whoopsies were clearly visible to the judge! She obviously just chose to ignore them!
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Post by Bekx on Jul 31, 2008 22:16:03 GMT
In the small breeds class, we were not allowed to go the other side of that, the shows were all done on her side, and all wrong legs were clearly visable, including the small young lad who wrong legged it on the right rein, which was infront of the lined up ponies... she chose to ignore!!!!
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Post by nativenellys on Aug 1, 2008 5:39:17 GMT
judges looking at faces I expect not ponies happened to us at the RIHS in the 12hh SHP 7YRS ago bad marking so things havent changed i guess :(MAKES YOU ANGRY when you know your pony has done a good show but thats showing
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