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Post by doodah on Jul 30, 2008 19:58:16 GMT
a horse on our yard is really lame now. It was walking on 3 legs this morning!! It went lame beginning of june after a kick in the field but the owners refused to call the vet out, and found some bute to give it- which i found out was out of date!! but horse still hasn't been right.
so here we at end of july and the horse finally went so lame that someone else on the yard called out the vet- which they complained about. it went for x-rays and has a hairline fracture which the vet estimated happened 6-8 weeks ago. Also an infection of some sort at the site of the break- don't know what it is exactly. the horse practically can't move- maybe because the vet wasn't called. The owner rang my mum saying she couldn't afford a £300 vet bill when she is bragging about getting a ISRT on lease for £3000 a year.
The same happened with a cough- they didn't ring vet but gave benillin and out-of-date ventapulmin- which they found in the bin. the cough turned out to be a virus- the same virus that the same vet diagnosed 5 months ago- when it was infact strangles.
the owners of this horse were moaning the most about strangles and how they couldn't leave the yard and how devastating it was- so you would think they would have called the vet straight away.
i feel sorry for the poor pony who can't even stand for longer than 10min and has to have leg hosed laying down
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Post by Balvenie on Jul 30, 2008 20:05:14 GMT
some people amaze me. how can they let any animal suffer like this. they want stringing up
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Post by Milliesmum on Jul 30, 2008 20:11:56 GMT
This is where our yard owner was invaluable, years of experience and could treat minor lumps and bumps, often saving you a fortune in the meantime. BUT, also knew when not to mess about and get the vet in sharpish.
If people can't make some kind of provision for veterinary care for their animals, then IMO they shouldn't have them. It's one of the things you account for when considering if you can afford to have a horse.
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Post by paddywack on Jul 30, 2008 20:12:11 GMT
think I would be having a word with the people leasing them the Inst SRT.
Really cannot believe some people
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Post by halfpass on Jul 30, 2008 20:13:29 GMT
not sure wether you know this but the vet could report them for neglect and also the yard owner as they have a duty of care for any animal on the yard, if the ownwer had not or would not call the vet the yard owner should of done
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Post by ellieraga on Jul 30, 2008 20:30:11 GMT
that is just cruel, that pony has been left to suffer just because they didnt want to pay a vets bill, if they can afford to lease a pony they can afford a vets bill , so glad i have mine insured just for peace of mind !!!!!
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Post by ponymum on Jul 31, 2008 11:14:14 GMT
I would call the rspca or happa....apart from anything else, that pony should be on complete box rest to help the bone to knit together....people like that make my blood boil....  There should be a proficiency test for owners, which covers when the vet should be called....  Poor pony having them as owners. |
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Post by doodah on Jul 31, 2008 11:51:32 GMT
think I would be having a word with the people leasing them the Inst SRT. Really cannot believe some people yeah, they're looking for references too, but haven't found anyone who will give a good one. i agree ith ponymum, there does need to be a proficiency test |
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Jul 31, 2008 14:25:57 GMT
would the owner wait that long if they had a broken a bone? i doubt it!
i always put my horses health before my own!
if you can afford to buy a horse, then you must be able to afford everything that comes with it! I.E. vets bills
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jul 31, 2008 14:39:45 GMT
I have a fab vet who is also a good freind, i can ring for advice day or night and if shes passing she will drop in, she came past yesterday after hearing char was shot in leg and had a good look at him, she was coming to drop of some medication, lets just say Char and his vet have a very good relationship, she loves to see him and he doesnt mind seeing her !!!!!
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Post by Admin on Jul 31, 2008 16:04:13 GMT
not sure wether you know this but the vet could report them for neglect and also the yard owner as they have a duty of care for any animal on the yard, if the ownwer had not or would not call the vet the yard owner should of done I am in total agreement with this statement. There is a new white paper draft of the animal welfare act, and once this is approved every yard owner will have to have a licence. They will be held as responsible for the animal’s welfare as the owner is. Therefore it is in their best interest to run a tight ship. |
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Jul 31, 2008 17:17:59 GMT
do you think there would be a law that every horse owner has to do an exam... like BHS stage one. to show you have basic knowledge?
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Post by halfpass on Jul 31, 2008 19:10:57 GMT
The one thing that is also very worrying is that someone has leased then a expensive show horse, if they can't look after the one that they have what chance does the other horse have,
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Post by doodah on Jul 31, 2008 19:12:24 GMT
not sure wether you know this but the vet could report them for neglect and also the yard owner as they have a duty of care for any animal on the yard, if the ownwer had not or would not call the vet the yard owner should of done I am in total agreement with this statement. There is a new white paper draft of the animal welfare act, and once this is approved every yard owner will have to have a licence. They will be held as responsible for the animal’s welfare as the owner is. Therefore it is in their best interest to run a tight ship. that's good to know- wish it was in force earlier- we had a secA LR on our yard and the owners just stopped coming to see it. When i rang them- the woman said that "it's being done isn't it?" and put the phone down on me! It was being done too, how could anyone leave a pony starving and stood in it's own filth. Anyway- i did the pony that night as usual and the RSPCA was called the next day- no ILPH close enough to us as immediate action was needed. the rspca just said that as long as the pony was being looked after then they couldn't do anything. I kept telling the yard owner to do something but she didn't want the RSPCA involved as it lookede bad for her yard- so as soon as the pony was re-homed- by us on behalf of the owner, we left, i couldn't put up with someone as heartless as the yard owner |
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Post by halfpass on Jul 31, 2008 21:43:27 GMT
The white paper that admin refers too gives animals protection. In a case like doodah refers too the first thing to do is to notify the relevant welfare organizations and make sure they take notes and pictures this can help in any prosecution they can then apply to the courts for a care order which stops the owners removing the animal until the outstanding payment for care is paid. If the value of care reaches the value of the animal then they can go back to court to have the animal awarded to the carer in Lue of payment of the bill. In most cases the costs are awarded to the claimant (provided there is sufficient evidence of neglect),
I'm not a legal beagle but this is how it read to me.
In Staffordshire we have an animal welfare officer who calls round periodically to check that every-things OK and to advice you on any problems that you may have hopefully with this new white paper being brought into force, this will happen in many more counties.
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Post by dancer on Aug 1, 2008 19:05:40 GMT
While I'm all for animals being given protection I think the welfare organisations need to look at their officers 'customer service skills'.
Having been the recent subject of an RSPCA visit I have to say that I would never call them in the case of an emergency or even donate to them - we have a veteran in very poor health who is currently under veterinary supervision but I was just left an RSPCA note stating that his diet wasn't adequate (how did she know, she hadn't asked what he was being fed or what the problem was) & that the fencing was dangerous (it's post & rail but totally irrelevant as her visit was concerning the condition of my pony).
I had to chase her to find out what was happening only to be told that 'it's ok - I've spoken to your vet & we won't be taking further action' - too bl**dy right as I haven't done anything wrong but she would never have contacted me to stop me worrying.
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Post by Admin on Aug 1, 2008 19:32:21 GMT
Dancer I am 100% with you on this one. There are people within these protection organisations that lack the knowledge and/or common sense to hold the position given to them. That lack of skills has an adverse effect on the way the society they represent is perceived by others. I to have had dealings with RSPCA on a couple of occasions where upon I have had to send them on their way as they were ill-informed or lacking knowledge of a situation. It can be very testing. |
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Post by lizzie on Aug 6, 2008 12:46:06 GMT
Hi I joined a while ago but mainly just read the posts etc and try to keep out of things however this post really touched home.
I have a horse at home who is permenantly lame dues to idiots simliar to this who never got the correct treatment to her. She is only 10 and suffers from arthritis in her fetlock due to no joint fluid and has very brittle tendons and ligaments. We bought her as a hack unaware of the problem and didnt have her vetted (our mistake which I will willingly admit) however she is a real sweetheart and we went through 6 months of box rest and heart ache only 3 months after buying her to try and give her the quality of life to just be a field pet. We dont know how long she has before it would become unbearable for her but untill then she has a home for life with us in retirement and wants for nothing. I have just paid out a further £300 on vets fees after she had to have a further weeks box rest due to hard ground.
I hate (and yes I do mean hate) people who let there horses suffer like this and I honestly believe that if they ever break their legs let them walk around on it for 2 months before someone finds the time to take them to the hospital.
Im really pleased that your friend and yourself care enough about the horse to do something about it shows there are still some respectable and caring horse owners out there.
Sorry rant over just had to get it off my chest when I saw this as very close to home.
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Post by halfpass on Aug 6, 2008 20:35:11 GMT
you rant away lizzie, does you good to get it off you chest, we all do silly things at times but at least you have stuck by yours, instead of trying to pass it on to someone else,I bet your mare gives you a lot of pleasure in other ways.
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Post by diadem on Aug 29, 2008 23:01:20 GMT
Good lord....we deal with minor issues ourselves, but that is just not on. What a pillock, dont think she should be having another horse, if the first one has been treated like that. Just awful.
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Post by rubybintkrayaan on Aug 30, 2008 21:44:29 GMT
that is so tightt, one of my horses got put to sleep because of a stifle injury and i did everythin i could for him and then u think that a horse owner is too lazy to ring the vet to get it checked out and then complaining about the money side of it!! In my opinion if your not prepared to look after a horse properly, why have one its not the horses fault they have a bad owner is it !
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Post by littlemissred on Aug 31, 2008 4:21:08 GMT
years ao we had someone move on to a yard we were on with 5 horses - one 16hh stallion, then one day she stopped coming down....... everyone on the yard of course would give them hay and water - they were all fit as a fiddle and i fell in love with the stallion, numerous phone calls were made to the rspca to get them to take action but they said as long as they have food and water there is nothing they can do - well do they want us to leave them without for a few days just so they can see whats staring them in the face! in the end ilph dealt with it and were immensley helpful - all horses were taken off the said girl and she then proceeded to put the yard owner through hell by taking them to court for not looking after her horses.............
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Post by smokeycott on Aug 31, 2008 13:27:31 GMT
it seems the rspca only want to take action after the horse has sufferered.
dont seem right somehow???
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Post by thecremellosociety on Sept 1, 2008 8:29:46 GMT
been in same situation 2 horses abandoned, wouldnt do anything unless we didnt feed water or muck them out, what caring animal lover wouldnt  Animals eventually taken by owner with rspca consent, didnt pay for anything we had given them and is god knows where now - Sick Sick People !! |
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Post by Trot-on on Sept 1, 2008 16:12:02 GMT
Its was the lady who owned the yard i was at before we moved that was in the wrong. A passer by had come in to say that a little coloured pony in the feild was resting its off hind and wasnt moving. The yard owner then said thanks, and was rather rude adter the lady left, thinking that she knew best etc.
After we all bugged her abou tit and 2 days later we went to get the coloured pony in, and had to load it into the trailer to get it down to the yard. It turnout out that it had broken its splint bone, and it had to be removed!! Although it wasnt her pony she shoul dhave done more to help him and it was ignorance on her part!
Hes safe and well now as a 'child minder' to the yearlings, but it makes me think twice about even leaving a scrath now!!
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Post by wobbles on Sept 20, 2008 9:44:37 GMT
I am sure I read somewhere that the RSPCA have new powers, whereby they will be able to remove an animal BEFORE it suffers cruelty or neglect, I hope I am right and have not dreamt it all  Because surely prevention is better then cure in some cases  |
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Poor pony having them as owners. 
Because surely prevention is better then cure in some cases 