blure merle collie

[B_31]

wiccaweys!! (border collies rescue??)

worth a shot?

[andreab71]

Jan 6, 2012 23:48:31 GMT B_31 said:

wiccaweys!! (border collies rescue??)

worth a shot?

I cannot imagine Wiccaways being happy rehoming an unspayed b*tch

[B_31]

oopss missed that bit!....



why unspayed OP? please dont consider breeding from an dog with unknown lines and no health tests!!

[rosemary]

now found ... a beatiful blue merle....didnt say i wanted to breed from her, i have one very fat collie here now that i had spayed and i cannot get the weigh off...thats thru being spayed..but thanks for your comment.

[sarahp]

I don't routinely spay my dogs either, only when medically necessary. Having had two cases out of two have problems after spaying (one severe reaction to something they gave her and one whose stitches all came out, never seen anything so awful as precious dog gingerly walking across the lawn with all her guts swinging around below her) I was reluctant to subject any others to an unnecessary major op again. Didn't have any get too fat though. I keep asking vets for evidence as in research papers to back up their statements of "all must be spayed or they will have terrible troubles later on" but so far none has been forthcoming. Now I will duck to avoid thrown missiles!

I do accept that any rescue dogs of either sex have to be neutered - but it wasn't rosemary who mentioned a rescue organisation.

[B_31]

ive spayed everyone of my dogs - never had any issues whatsoever

the risks from spaying are less imo than a bit*h getting caught/tumours etc..... imo.

[sarahp]

Please do send me the link to any reliable information on that, as in facts and figures and their source, that you know of saying so, I haven't found any yet!

[B_31]

i said iin my opinion and from what ive read...!!

i would never keep a dog entire (or bit*h) whats the point??!! its like saying to your hubby.... you have balls but aint using em lad...........

cruel or what!?

[rosemary]

edge of reason....i had my bit*h spayed soley as she would have killed any puppies she would have had..also she would have killed a dog if he had come within 20 paces of her...i wish i had not had her spayed she is safe at home she does not come into contact with other boy dogs at all..and she has put on an enormous weigh vet told me to give her one small meal a day..now with the weigh...who was the cruel one me or vet...never do it again to the little one i have thats for sure...we all have an opinion,i love my dogs and would never hurt them...and as for health tests etc....i have owned 3 collies and they all have been perfectly healthy both my boys living till theey were 14 yrs old and my bit*h that i have is 8..you can blame puppy farming just for the money not the love of the dogs ..

[sarahp]

edge of reason - bearing your post above in mind, why are you looking for a dog pup to show - you would have to leave that entire!

[rosemary]

Thanks Sarahp.....i felt a little down after what edge of reason had put on here...i had my bit*h Molly spayed at 15 mths old and she is so heavy dispite i have 5 acres that she runs around on each day,no weight seems to come off, My pup is 11 weeks old and i didnt really want a pup as Mollly really hates all dogs.....But thankfully she has been pretty good with her so far,and has been following her around doing quite alot of running....good excerise video coming up here i think for tubby dogs..lol x

[B_31]

sarahp - the level of showing we are doing the dog will be done.... ive no intention whatsoever of going crufts unless its doing agility!... Not only that - I will show until the dog is 12/18 months max then be neutered for agility/shows

i dont want to breed so why leave anything entire??

as for b*tches getting fat after being spayed... mine did but its trial and error with food - mines on beta light and looks brilliant !!! so imo unless a serious medical condition, no need for fat dogs




rosemary - like i said about feed.... my spaniel x collie (spayed) is a little fatso on anything but beta light.... its trial and error with feed imo.........

beta light is brilliant for maintining weight for fatties

[sarahp]

Thank you for the explanation.

As I said above, none of my spayed bit*hes got too fat, they had other problems with the op.

[B_31]

no probs

Like i said ive been brought up with (and believe) if i dont want to breed - spay. We have done all our colllies/spaniels young and never had an issue.

The next pup will be done too at approx 12 months give or take - as i honestly couldnt be bothered taking a randy male to agility when old enough!!!! lol

[sarahp]

We have lived for 30 odd years in a country area with two, sometimes three bit*hes, mostly entire, and never had a single visiting dog when one was in season. If I lived in a built up area where it was difficult, I would do them and I'd always do a male dog - we now have our first ever dog, who was a rescue so was of course done. It's a much easier op for a dog, it's the routine doing of a major internal op to a bit*h for only social, not health, reasons that I have trouble with. As I've said, I've yet to find a vet who can point me at solid evidence that it is the best thing to do healthwise.

We likewise until more recently also had spaniels and collies, the latter to work the sheep here.

[Milliesmum]

After seeing my mum's border collie have cancerous growths removed from all her teats, (which the vet said was hormone related), then a really nasty womb infection which meant she had to have a huge operation as an old dog, my personal choice would be to spay. Millie was done after her first season, was a bit miserable for a day or two but soon bouncing around again. It wasn't for my own convenience but to hopefully guard against some of the illnesses I'd seen Meg go through.

[sarahp]

I appreciate that some have problems, but single cases are anecdotal, I'm looking for a proper scientific research project with lots of statistics. I could refer you to above in retaliation where all my newly spayed collie's guts fell out when all her stitches came undone! She was done in an attempt to help with her hormone related epilepsy, not that it did anyway. And I had some over the years with tiny growths in their teats, very simply and easily removed as they were only just under the skn, as well as various entire bit*hes who lived to ripe and healthy old ages.

[rosemary]

Edge of reason.My friend has bred puppies from a poor little part pug x terrier bit*h who has an enormos lump in her last teat near her rear end it's the size of an egg,She is too tight to have the bit*h operatered on incase it cant have puppiesagain,she is a fab little bit*h really friendly,They only had her a couple of months before putting her to the dod again at xmas..the lump was quite big and i told my friend to get the lump seen too...but she wouldnt ..the good thing is she slipped the pups about 3 weeks into the pregnancy , obviously she knew she wasnt well enough to have those pups...i was secretly glad and she still havent had the little bit*h seen too,I see what you say ..but there will always be people like my friend more for the money than the animals...sorry i am not one of them