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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 18:16:37 GMT
Well, just when i thought id found the perfect buyer and home.. i let yorkie go on trial with buyer for two weeks left half deposit, very happy with pony keeping intouch letting me know how he is. Today, i find out her car failed its mot so she can't pay the full remaining balance... what ?! she can pay so much, as she needs car more than pony and its going to be sooo long before she can afford rest and doesnt want to wait that long for passposrt. When does it ever end ! I'm quite frankly angered by this when it was all agreed unless pony deemed unsuitable (which he is not ) Doh ! Must get MUG tattoed across forehead  |
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Post by watchbank on Jan 8, 2012 18:19:06 GMT
Omg some people are just time wasters through to the core?!
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Post by pimms'o'clock (Jess) on Jan 8, 2012 18:20:45 GMT
argh!! how annoying, however try to feel the relief knowing the person isnt right now rather than realising after you'd sold yorkie  |
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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 18:21:47 GMT
Yes, sadly every single one has been a waste of time.
Im devastated and angry, where do i find these people
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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 18:24:59 GMT
The trouble is he is in good hands she put him on livery at tm showing yard and i really thought she wasnt going to do anything like this, it is pulling me to accept because he is in such a good home, but it is going back on what was agreed arrgh
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Post by bow1607 on Jan 8, 2012 21:25:56 GMT
I would take the pony back and keep the deposit she has left due to her going back on the agreement.
I know things come up and it is unfortunate but what if she needed the vet and couldn't afford that?
Just to add why is she waiting for the passport? it should have gone with the pony
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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 21:28:37 GMT
It was part of trial agreement i said i would send as soon as payment cleared,
It has crossed my mind as she has gone back on agreement.
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Post by laraapril on Jan 8, 2012 21:29:23 GMT
i had this problem recently with a woman buying my mare, she would only text with bad news and in the end we took her back after 8 months of not even half the payment!
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Post by bow1607 on Jan 8, 2012 21:31:03 GMT
legally the passport has to go with the pony, you just don't sign the change of ownership forms untill full payment is received.
I would also think (depending on the wording of your agreement) you are legally entitled to keep what she has paid for the pony
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Post by lisadundee on Jan 8, 2012 21:37:39 GMT
Legal or not there is no way the passport would be going out of my possession until the full amount had been paid! Some people just can not be trusted simple as! I have a mare on a breeding loan but the owners have kept her passport which is fine by me and I also once put one of my mares on loan which turned out to be a nightmare, the mare was neglected and I had all on getting her tack back never mind the passport!
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Post by 09rebel99 on Jan 8, 2012 21:38:25 GMT
Three options,
1. Take the pony back
2. Take whatever money she has to pay and that's that.
3. Tell her you want the outstanding balance by the date agreed or you will pick him up.
I would not give the deposit back, I would have thought tm's yard is not the cheapest yard around as it is a producers so is he on full livery? I would have thought there would have been funds available if that is the case. Whatever you decide you must stick to it and not let it drag out for yours and the ponies sake! Let's face it you weren't asking huge amounts for him in the first place! And on the passport issue I would just speak to the fell society and ask what to do. Good luck and let us know how you go :-)
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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 21:42:32 GMT
i had this problem recently with a woman buying my mare, she would only text with bad news and in the end we took her back after 8 months of not even half the payment! oh my goodness ! |
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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 21:45:14 GMT
Legal or not there is no way the passport would be going out of my possession until the full amount had been paid! Some people just can not be trusted simple as! I have a mare on a breeding loan but the owners have kept her passport which is fine by me and I also once put one of my mares on loan which turned out to be a nightmare, the mare was neglected and I had all on getting her tack back never mind the passport! yes thats why i didnt want to part with passport till full amount was paid. |
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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 21:47:27 GMT
rebel99, thats the conclusion i came to as he is on full livery being ridden ect..
I have stated that balance be paid by end of month, so will see what happens
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Post by bow1607 on Jan 8, 2012 21:48:26 GMT
I can understand where you are coming from Lisadundee totally BUT if there was to be an accident/illness etc and that horse had to be transported to the vets the passport has to be with it.
Having a passport isn't proof of ownership anyway, anyone can get a general passport, but for a breed society passport you would have to have the change of ownership forms signed
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Post by sectiondcrazy on Jan 8, 2012 21:49:04 GMT
Id bite your hand off for him if i had the money as I really want a fell and im on the big yard on Belmont Rd so really close to you xx |
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Post by laraapril on Jan 8, 2012 21:49:33 GMT
We never gave her the passport, after we took her back we were having so much grief, threatening my horses, my house, all sorts we gave her the money back even though it was non refundable, after than we had a text say we owed her for all costs she incurred whilst having my mare! Cheeky!
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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 22:03:13 GMT
Jesus laraapril i can't belive the cheek of some people! this is why his passport is with me as trial was a two week one for which i was expecting full payment to be made within this time period.
I hear where your coming from re- that he could have an injury ect.. but believe me if that were the case id be there with passport still in my hands at any hour, but he left in good health and it can be risky re if anything went wrong, but id rather make sure i had his documentation for my own peace of mind, if id have known it was going to be longer i wouldn't have let him be trialed in the first place.
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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 22:08:50 GMT
Update- lady says she is going to pay full price tomo !
I really hope i never have to sell another horse again.
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Post by lisadundee on Jan 8, 2012 22:10:46 GMT
I can understand where you are coming from Lisadundee totally BUT if there was to be an accident/illness etc and that horse had to be transported to the vets the passport has to be with it. Having a passport isn't proof of ownership anyway, anyone can get a general passport, but for a breed society passport you would have to have the change of ownership forms signed I have never once been asked for any of my horses passports by the vet and three of them have had operations over the last three years, a passport is not proof of ownership but a breed society passport makes the horse worth more should it be resold and I admit when I have rescued ponies from the meat man ot bought from auctions and they have come with breed society passports and there has been no way to trace the previous owners and they have not signed the passports to confirm a change of ownership, many times I have made up a signature and sent the passport off and it has come back registered in my name and never once queried!!! and sadly that's how easy it is!!! The only time I have ever been asked to have my horses passport seen is at the bigger county shows and some shows a proven vaccination record must be shown! |
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Post by lisadundee on Jan 8, 2012 22:14:14 GMT
In fact the only time I have even been asked to see a passport is when one one of the horses has been PTS and then the horse can not be taken away without a passport, we have a busy livery yard and I can honestly say the same for everyone on our yard, none of us have ever been asked for our passports to be seen at the vets and one of my section D's has been up there a lot recently and stayed for weeks at a time!
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Post by chorro on Jan 8, 2012 22:23:15 GMT
I agree with you Lisadundee I too have never been asked to show my horses passports, not to vets not at shows, even when I lost 2 they never asked to see the passports.
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Post by bow1607 on Jan 8, 2012 22:24:56 GMT
You don't have to be asked for it by a vet, if you get pulled by the police (which is getting more common in horse boxes) they will ask for the passport and if you haven't got it you are breaking the law! As for the just making up a signature and getting it back registered in your name just proves the passport system doesn't work and was only a way for the government to make money! |
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Post by Guestless on Jan 8, 2012 22:31:08 GMT
Update- lady says she is going to pay full price tomo ! Sounds as if she was just chancing her luck. Glad it's sorted now. |
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Post by chorro on Jan 8, 2012 22:36:54 GMT
It used to be that if you were stopped and asked for your passport and you didn't have it with you, you had a specified amount of time to produce it , I think it used to be about 3 hours though to be honest this could have changed I think we all agree that the passport system doesn't work particularly well |
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Post by lisadundee on Jan 8, 2012 22:40:03 GMT
You don't have to be asked for it by a vet, if you get pulled by the police (which is getting more common in horse boxes) they will ask for the passport and if you haven't got it you are breaking the law! As for the just making up a signature and getting it back registered in your name just proves the passport system doesn't work and was only a way for the government to make money! I know but that's the risk they would have to take if they wanted to take my animal on trial and let's face it, if the police pull u and you haven't got a passport... Do they really take it seriously!! I could probably show them anythings passport! Like u say just another system that cost a fortune that doesn't work! X |
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Post by bow1607 on Jan 8, 2012 22:42:58 GMT
just noticed your update melrob26, glad its sorted out.
I only mentioned the passport as someone enquired about a LWVTB on my horse so I contacted the arab horse society to find out what I had to do regarding his passport and they stated the pp had to go with him but I had to informed them that he was only on loan and to fill in the change of ownership form when he was paid for (I decided against it)
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Post by chorro on Jan 8, 2012 22:44:41 GMT
I don't think the police know enough about it or know enough about horses to tell one from another.
Isn't it supposed to be over-seen by DEFRA?
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Post by melrob26 on Jan 8, 2012 23:09:00 GMT
Hi, thank's i'm hoping too gone through swings and roundabouts with him lol
Future i will not trial horse again, far too much hassle and can't trust anybody.
Thank's for all your opinions on this :-)
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Post by 09rebel99 on Jan 8, 2012 23:56:28 GMT
Melrob26 I'm so glad, it justs sounds like she was trying it on, glad you have stuck to your guns. I agree I would never want to go through selling again! I found it horrendous and very stressful and traumatic and I sold to the first person that came to view so I was lucky!
Laraapril I suggest now you have deleted your membership you shouldn't post as a guest about people being cheeky and out of order when you have just been outed for stealing other peoples pics of their horses and passing them off as your own!!!!! Sorry mods but had to say something!
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