serz
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Post by serz on Jan 26, 2012 22:19:34 GMT
Was just wondering if anyone has used/ has any experience of the ardall training dummy rider? My friend and i are thinking of buying one to hire out as they seem to be a marvellous idea for people wanting a hand in breaking in. Does anyone think there would be any call for this? Would you consider using one? Videos and pictures of the product can be seen on the website www.ardall.comOpinions please xx  |
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Post by junetimp on Jan 26, 2012 22:52:59 GMT
Where abouts are you , because I would certainly consider hiring one in this coming summer to use as a breaking aid.
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Post by charliewarlie on Jan 27, 2012 9:42:42 GMT
Same as above i would definatley hire one
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Post by workingcob on Jan 27, 2012 9:46:32 GMT
I saw them at Hoys.
I am slightly cautious about the idea of people hiring them - i'd be worried about someone inexperienced in starting horses using them as a substitute for correct preparation & methods including basic long lining etc, and fitted badly I think they could terrify a horse (slipped round and banging against its sides for example)
But for someone experienced in starting horses & working with a particularly sensitive or difficult horse, I think they are a great idea
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Post by watchbank on Jan 27, 2012 9:49:42 GMT
i was thinking about becoming a re-seller for them, i would certainly use one! my friend is tiny and she breaks my ponies in but shes currently pregnant so in need of a different plan!
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Post by brt on Jan 27, 2012 9:57:14 GMT
How much do they weigh?
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Post by workingcob on Jan 27, 2012 10:01:07 GMT
It varies - you increase the weight by adding sand to the boots/legs of the dummy. Initially, you start with just the torso, to get the horse used to the idea of someone up above
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Post by workingcob on Jan 27, 2012 10:02:17 GMT
Apparently Melanie Watson, a specialist trainer near me in East Yorks, has one - I'm tempted to go and see her use it & ask her about it
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Post by suziq77 on Jan 27, 2012 10:06:46 GMT
I saw them at Hoys. I am slightly cautious about the idea of people hiring them - i'd be worried about someone inexperienced in starting horses using them as a substitute for correct preparation & methods including basic long lining etc, and fitted badly I think they could terrify a horse (slipped round and banging against its sides for example) But for someone experienced in starting horses & working with a particularly sensitive or difficult horse, I think they are a great idea Agree 100%. I think in the right hands they can be very useful. I have however seen the effects of a horse which was incorrectly started with one and several years on I don't think she is ever going to get over it totally to the extent that "anyone" can ride her. |
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Post by flee on Jan 28, 2012 17:45:22 GMT
I've got one - she's called Emma and she is part of the non-horsey family that live next door .
I just say 'Emma , would you like to sit on this pony ?'
And she always does .
Dummy .
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Post by conniegirl on Jan 28, 2012 17:50:38 GMT
workingcob, last time i spoke to melanie (talk to her regularly as she broke my lad for me) she loved hers. however she had made a couple of adaptions to make it quicker to fit to troublesome horses.
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Post by suziq77 on Jan 28, 2012 19:01:30 GMT
I've got one - she's called Emma and she is part of the non-horsey family that live next door . I just say 'Emma , would you like to sit on this pony ?' And she always does . Dummy . Flee where have you been lately? You do make me laugh! |
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Post by snowflake on Jan 29, 2012 18:05:22 GMT
I would be so interested in watching someone use them. On another horse forum everyone was singing its praises saying how good it was...
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Post by stumpedmum on Jan 29, 2012 18:15:29 GMT
we would definitely use one! after having to have the air ambulance to my friend the other week, the benefits of this cannot be measured. Agree, only to be used in experienced hands though, can imagine the horror of a young horse + incorrectly fitted one of these!!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 29, 2012 18:32:25 GMT
Well we have just backed ours starting with a roller, then a saddle then lots of time leaning over and is going sweetly so far with just gentle work and taking things steady, i think these could cause more problems, i dangled stirrups etc in all paces on the lunge, and spent a good few hours ( after normal ground work) talking to him from on top of the mounting block, leaning over,patting and talking, he is not phased about having a rider on now ..... im not so sure about a dummy, it doesnt speak and will move involuntarily, i also am a beliver inletting the children sit on them, safley of course normally with a lead rope around waist and be held, with instructions if isay bail out jump to me, never needed to as all readily accepted, maybe i have quiet ponies but done both ours ourselves Here is dylans first ride on Charlie (pony Rising 3 and dylan 4 at the time)  And here he is on fred for the first time  And riding away - No Dummy needed (Unless you count my kids and bessy mate LOL )  |
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Post by jump4joy on Jan 29, 2012 18:32:44 GMT
If horses arn't used to having someone behind them on the floor long reining, then they are certainly not going to like having something on top, that doesnt pat to reasure, no calming voice from on top. Not saying never would use one but when the circustances are called for i.e edgey, sensitive spooky horse even after all ground work done..i too think like working cob,.. would be aprehensive about it being used by inexperienced people..but certainly suspect a huge call for one...
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Post by conniegirl on Jan 29, 2012 19:12:18 GMT
my boy very deffinatly needed a dummy on him. he attempted tokill several riders. unfortunatly the ardall wasnt around when my lad was being broken, so they used a blow up doll that was dressed (so they didnt cause an accident on the road by the school) and had sandbags tied to her legs.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 29, 2012 20:23:17 GMT
ROFL Conniegirl re dressing the blow up doll, i know somone whoused somthing probably from a similar shop to get her horse used to the clipper buzzing  NOT me i swiftly hasten to add ! |
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Post by norrishorsemanship on Jul 4, 2016 21:03:30 GMT
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Post by Grinshill Stud on Jul 5, 2016 14:53:49 GMT
We have one and find it invaluable with breaking and re-training problem horses. All the horses we've have been broken with it are fantastic to ride, and definitely desensitizes them.
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NOT me i swiftly hasten to add !
