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Post by magicme on Feb 16, 2012 19:39:04 GMT
Hi I have a fyfr section a pony very safe. Was broken in late and has only ever do lr and fyfr. I am finding it very hard to get him into canter I dont think he knows what to do or understands what you are asking for. I have had a bigger jockey on him to see what he does and when she asks him it just goes faster and faster into trot. I have never broken in a pony before, any advice on the canter.
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Post by elmere on Feb 16, 2012 19:59:48 GMT
How old is he? When babies are having trouble cantering I like to get them out on a stubble field or bank out on a hack and let them break naturally into canter theirselves on the straight. It may be that he just isnt balanced and you could lunge him in a pessoa to build up his muscles and it will improve this.
Forgot to say if you are lungeing in a training aid, just build them up slowly, start with 10-15 mins of walk and trot and slowly build up working through your transitions.
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Post by tabbyx on Feb 16, 2012 20:09:28 GMT
Teach him on the lunge with voice commands, you may need to use the whip behind him for encouragement. mum and I have always found asking for canter over a pole and always saying "canter on" when asking works best and they click pretty soon, then we put the rider on(older jockey to start with) and doing the same so ask over the pole and person lunging asks them to canter and the rider applies the correct aids for canter. Once the pony understands this and is cantering purely from voice and legs aids from the rider then move off the lunge with someone(if safe to do so) and do the same, rider asks for canter with voice,legs and seat going over a pole, having someone with a lunge whip just for a bit of encouragement is good aswell. Keep doing this and after a while you can take away the pole and put a smaller jockey on board. Pony might have a couple of bucks when they first start cantering with a rider on as some will struggle with balance and some just find it exciting.
Good luck, breaking is very hard work but very rewarding, I love it, especially when you see the finished project you worked really hard on in the ring doing well.
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Post by magicme on Feb 16, 2012 21:07:18 GMT
thanks tabby going to start with the lunging work 2mrow night. x
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Post by sarahp on Feb 17, 2012 8:16:08 GMT
Just to say that as a LR/FYFR he will most likely have been taught NOT under any circumstances to canter, so now needs to unlearn that bit and realise it's what you want. So lots of praise when he goes into it.
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Post by catkin on Feb 17, 2012 8:47:16 GMT
Echo the above about LR not understanding that canter is desirable! I find the best way to get them going, apart from all the usual schooling is to hack them out. Teach them that going forward is good fun. This way they also find their own balance better. Definitely teach the pony from the voice as well as the usual aids.
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Post by vikki85 on Feb 17, 2012 12:34:25 GMT
Don't know much about LR ponies but it looks like you've had some good advice from other members with regards the way they've been taught differently. I backed my pony myself and first taught her to canter out hacking on bridle paths and in fields etc following the lead of another horse. I guess this could work with your pony, as he will (hopefully) go into canter naturally as elmere said. You can teach him the aids for canter this way and I'm sure he'll catch on pretty quickly. Good luck by the way  |
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Post by magicme on Feb 17, 2012 16:52:39 GMT
Lunged him tonight over a pole in the corner he was going into canter after about asking him a couple of times, one side better than the other on the wrong leg on one side. He went into it better when I was running with him dont know who was more knacked me or him. We do the same 2mrow night. x
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Post by sarahp on Feb 17, 2012 17:25:24 GMT
I don't know much about LR ponies either, but I do know that Welsh Ds who have had a career in hand can have the same problem - they have been taught never to break into canter as they are expected to show such huge trots instead.
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Post by r4ch3l on Feb 18, 2012 22:56:02 GMT
Hi when i broke my friends welsh A, i found that just pushing him in his trot giving him the reign and asking him to go faster until he broke into a canter worked for me xx
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Post by magicme on Feb 19, 2012 9:11:29 GMT
going to try him again tonight with a jockey on board see how we get on. x
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Post by r4ch3l on Feb 19, 2012 17:26:10 GMT
Ok great good luck x |
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Post by magicme on Feb 19, 2012 18:29:21 GMT
Jockey didnt turn up so lunged him again, he is going into canter a bit better now, but on the wrong leg. Should I pull him back to trot when he is in the wrong leg and ask again, or make him canter on. x
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Post by r4ch3l on Feb 19, 2012 18:34:49 GMT
I always pull up and ask again, do you lunge him in side reigns ? x
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Post by magicme on Feb 19, 2012 18:40:14 GMT
I normally do but have taken them off for the last couple of times just while I have been asking for the canter, should I try with them on now. x
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Post by r4ch3l on Feb 19, 2012 18:45:45 GMT
Its up to you, i've tried lunging with side reigns on and tightened the outside reign which then makes them fall on the right leg you could give it a try, it works all the time for me x |
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Post by sjm on Feb 19, 2012 20:29:01 GMT
we had touble getting ours to canter, we popped her over a jump and she would go into canter out of it with an experienced small rider to keep her going, she now cantering across the fields. good luck
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Post by vikki85 on Feb 20, 2012 8:23:22 GMT
If he is striking off on the wrong leg make sure the trot is well balanced and his back end is engaged before asking for canter, and bring him back to trot and ask again when he doesn't get it right. Lots of praise when he does get it right. Personally I'd avoid side reins, particularly tightening them on one side.
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Post by lfh1 on Feb 20, 2012 11:55:21 GMT
You need to not worry straight away about the canter lead (I KNOW.... HOW CAN I SAY THIS LOL!!) But voice command on the lunge always works for me..also had some advise this to do a little tap on the shoulder with a whip (depends on how your pony is and age) and once they know the command. It will just help with the quality of the transition.
Also lots of straight lines out on fields and let you pony just pop into canter. Best standing out of your seat also, as your pony will be unbalanced
Everyone has such different ways but this is what works for me ..all the best :-)
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Post by princessalysx on Mar 3, 2012 15:00:15 GMT
I personally wouldn't bring him back to trot if he has the wrong canter lead, I think it just confuses them. If he becomes unbalanced he will correct it himself, let him learn that you want him to canter and move forwards first and then come back to the canter leads when he understands more.
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Post by sophiea on Mar 3, 2012 20:10:24 GMT
we had the same issue with ours. first get the running sorted out every time he does it bring him to a halt. then back into trot and then a canter when ready. also trasitions are fab, trot 10 strides canter ten strides if he runs half halt and give him a tap with the wip. he might have an issue with his balance so canter poles. half halts, trasitions again even if its walk to trot, halt to walk e.c.t having a good gallop down a track cen get them to learncantering is fun which may help aswell. just remember not to rush him into things if he's a littl'n. If he's a quick learner he may have got away with a small thing at the basics and that has developed into a bigger thing. Thats excatly what happen with my darty. hope this helps.
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Post by horseylady on Mar 3, 2012 21:58:38 GMT
I wouldn't ask for canter on the lunge, especially as his head my be turned slightly in to the inside, therefore encouraging his outside shoulder to lead, throwing him on the wrong leg :/ Long rein will be more beneficial for him, and easier for you to train. Get him out hacking and moving forward, ask for canter when in field or somewhere safe. You could even forget work in the school and just canter every time you are out, so he gets into the habit of canter aids without the added pressure of being in a school.. hacking is fun for them  xx Forgot to say, when asking for canter out on a hack, use voice aid at same time of asking.. good luck xxxx |
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Post by ikklecob on Mar 3, 2012 22:03:49 GMT
Long rein will be more beneficial for him, and easier for you to train. Get him out hacking and moving forward, ask for canter when in field or somewhere safe. And how fast do you have to run when you canter on long reins  Doesn't sound practical to me. |
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Post by horseylady on Mar 3, 2012 22:26:14 GMT
Long rein will be more beneficial for him, and easier for you to train. Get him out hacking and moving forward, ask for canter when in field or somewhere safe. And how fast do you have to run when you canter on long reins Doesn't sound practical to me. You dont run with long reins..... AND if you know how to long rein you dont always stand behind whilst working them. Ahhh just re read my previous post.. I dont mean ask for canter on long reins whilst out on a hack!!!!!  if thats what is confusing you icklecob... |
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Post by ikklecob on Mar 3, 2012 22:49:53 GMT
Ahhh just re read my previous post.. I dont mean ask for canter on long reins whilst out on a hack!!!!! if thats what is confusing you icklecob... Yep that was the bit that confused me I had visions of someone hurtling along behind a pony on a track somewhere.  We had a similar problem last year the pony got it in the end though it just took time and we found following another pony with an expereienced jockey on board to give clear aids helped him a lot. |
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Post by horseylady on Mar 3, 2012 23:08:42 GMT
Ahhh just re read my previous post.. I dont mean ask for canter on long reins whilst out on a hack!!!!! if thats what is confusing you icklecob... Yep that was the bit that confused me I had visions of someone hurtling along behind a pony on a track somewhere. We had a similar problem last year the pony got it in the end though it just took time and we found following another pony with an expereienced jockey on board to give clear aids helped him a lot. haha i am sat here chuckling to myself at the thought of someone being dragged around a field shouting 'canter,canter' at the top of there voice!! sorry to confuse you  xx |
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Doesn't sound practical to me.
if thats what is confusing you icklecob...
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