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Post by lulah on Mar 5, 2012 14:02:26 GMT
my welsh sec d has always been very strong and prone to lean when you take a contact, esp out hacking.
ive been ridding in a mullen mouth snaffle, as he has a fat tongue.
but now hes fitter and we are doing more fast work on hacks he is just so strong! i school him twice a week and when asked for more upwards energy, instead of just going fast, he leans something terrible i often come out the school with extremley aching arms!
ive been advised by a friend to try a pelham (my dad also drives him in a liverpool bit with a curb chain, and he responds well) and another told me to look into the waterford.
then i found the neue schule waterford pelham!
the desscription fits my horse perfectly, but it looks pretty harsh!
anyone used one...have any bitting suggestions!?
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Post by sarahp on Mar 5, 2012 17:12:24 GMT
I'd go for a double jointed loose ring snaffle so that it moves more and is more difficult to lean on and some appropriate schooling - they can't lean unless you pull back.
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Post by GinaGeo on Mar 5, 2012 19:06:03 GMT
As above. A mullen mouth is a mouthpiece many lean on. A link will make it harder and the loose ring will allow more movement.
Lots of schooling. A good instructor will give you suitable exercises to ride to improve the situation.
I wouldn't use a curb bit to try and correct this issue.
A waterford MAY be of use, as long as it's used very sensitively and only seen as a short term schooling aid.
For a horse with a thick tongue a thinner mouthpiece is often preferable.
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Post by speedysally on Mar 5, 2012 19:33:29 GMT
i had this issue with my pony! i had her in a snaffle but now i've got her in a gag (wouldn't reccomend that for a pony that leans as it uses a lot of poll pressure) but i've also tried her in a bitless bridle and she has nothing to lean on then and it does work!
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Post by snowflake on Mar 5, 2012 19:54:31 GMT
Pelhams are the worst thing for leaning - well a normal Pelham. I've heard the Buster Roller is very good, quite a strong bit like the Waterford, so you just need sensitive hands. Try the Horse Bit Shop with bits I think they give you something like a 30 day trial so if it isn't for you, you can return it! Just remember - it takes two to pull! Push him & ride him through it, it's a schooling issue which needs to be sorted..if you want a softer approach you could try the Waterford Snaffle? ETA - here's the link for the Buster Roller, I myself have not personally tried it but it has and a lot of reviews & seems to fit your description. It's quite expensive though! Best suited to a horse which leans tbh. www.thehorsebitshop.co.uk/product.php?xProd=576 |
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Post by elmere on Mar 5, 2012 22:28:14 GMT
I would try a waterford loose ring snaffle, make sure its half an inch bigger than you need though so it works to its full advantage.
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Post by LEC on Mar 6, 2012 14:03:06 GMT
I personally wouldnt go for the 'stronger bit' option and i realise i may be opening a whole can of worms here! oops  But i only believe in strong bits when your pony is strong or takes off, if he is leaning on you i think from what iv read it indicates he needs further schooling and teaching to sit back on his hocks and carry himself! If you put a stronger bit in you could just make the whole situation worse, Its a long process but the end results will be far better than if you go for the quick fix of a stronger bit. Im sorry in advance if people dont agree as i know its a tough one but thats just my opinion! Good luck xx |
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Post by sageandonion on Mar 6, 2012 14:56:07 GMT
Schooling is the only way to correct the problem, he is leaning and feeling strong because he is so on his forehand. It will take a will because he needs to develop the correct muscle and balance to carry himself.
I would not use a pelham, as said before it will make the problem worse. For safety only I would use a waterford.
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Post by Kaseyleigh on Mar 6, 2012 16:26:09 GMT
I personally wouldnt go for the 'stronger bit' option and i realise i may be opening a whole can of worms here! oops But i only believe in strong bits when your pony is strong or takes off, if he is leaning on you i think from what iv read it indicates he needs further schooling and teaching to sit back on his hocks and carry himself! If you put a stronger bit in you could just make the whole situation worse, Its a long process but the end results will be far better than if you go for the quick fix of a stronger bit. Im sorry in advance if people dont agree as i know its a tough one but thats just my opinion! Good luck xx I agree from a breaking and schooling point of view with putting a stronger bit in your masking the problem not also that you will find in time he will lean also on this try re-mouthing or passoa but using a loose ring with a lozenger to give him something to think about in his mouth but i know what these welsh d are like and you have to ride them and learn how to lift them up i strongly suggest lessons with him and driving also doesnt help will make him lean more . |
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