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Post by totallyravingbonkers on Apr 5, 2012 21:19:16 GMT
yes its lovely, do the judges see beyond the side saddle? should it be allowed? yes its great but not when all of your own jockeys are boys!! sexual discrimination? also is it not to correct to ride side saddle in a double which is incorrect for lr classes? please correct me if im wrong as i am unsure, but its really bugging me now as a lot of lower level , un assessed judges seem fixated on the novelty rather than the quality! i love the shows that have now started to stipulate in there rules that all classes, unless otherwise mentioned, are to be ridden astride!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Apr 5, 2012 21:35:44 GMT
Depends on the class i would think only suitable fo a concours or fancy dress x
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Post by sorayawilliam on Apr 5, 2012 21:43:23 GMT
hi i ride side saddle and also ride astride and i THINK it's fine to ride in a double i think i that it is unfair that you get placed down beacause of it but also the judges be better and judge the class as normal and also dont forget anyone including boys can do side saddle but if the scedual states that the riders are not aloud to ride side saddle in that class then you shouldent and also you should ask the people that run the show do they have a rule about it and if so to make sure it is known but remeber what ever your dwing its better on horse back  |
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Post by nia2311 on Apr 5, 2012 21:51:42 GMT
To be fair, I have never seen a schedule specify astride or otherwise for ANY LR class! It is assumed it is an astride class. In my opinion, the only side saddle classes should be those specifically designated as side saddle. Its a total different way of riding and showing and I don't think you can judge the two side by side. A standard LR show should be astride.
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Post by totallyravingbonkers on Apr 6, 2012 18:07:28 GMT
thats my point thankyou, i love watching side saddle and take my hat off to everyone that does it as i fear i would probably wobble off! just would like to see mixed classes judged fairly xxxx anyway not really a moan but more of a mini moan haha x
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Post by armada on Apr 6, 2012 22:07:51 GMT
Well, in my un-assessed as a judge, not being panel through choice, but experienced showing astride and side-saddle rider, no, it should'nt make a difference, a pony goes well under side saddle or it does'nt, if not, it should not be placed up, just because the rider is not astride, and lets face it, to anyone who rides side-saddle its not as simple as just putting the side-saddle on and sitting there. A kid blobbing about side-saddle doth not make a pretty picture if you know your onions.
nia2311, if you judge a mixed class/champ you judge it on suitability, on conf and way of going, if a s/s presented animal goes better then an astride ridden animal, you cannot say, well would the s/s animal go as well astride or the astride animal go as well under s/s, it is what is going the best in front of you on that day, so I disagree with your comment.
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Post by nia2311 on Apr 6, 2012 22:20:25 GMT
Well I thought that considering the totally different way of riding between the two disciplines, differing turn outs, differing leg commands etc etc that the two disciplines cannot be fairly judged together. Surely side saddle classes are for side saddle riders, and astride classes for those wanting a leg both sides?! I am not trying to be funny, but don't really see how the two can be compared fairly. Please do correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by armada on Apr 6, 2012 22:26:01 GMT
correct way of going is correct way of going, in a supreme, you have to judge all types on conf, suitability and correct way of going, regardless of type, so s/s or astride, the previous all apply.
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Post by nia2311 on Apr 6, 2012 22:39:15 GMT
correct way of going is correct way of going, in a supreme, you have to judge all types on conf, suitability and correct way of going, regardless of type, so s/s or astride, the previous all apply. I can see how it would work in a supreme champs or something - considering you have to judge all sorts alongside each other. However, in a particular class surely it has to be a specifically side saddle class for this discipline to be used? A LR child will not have the necessary skill to use the one leg, plus whip, carry the hands correctly AND if side saddle would not normally use a plain snaffle (as stipulated in most LR classes), so I cannot see how this particular example is correct? Surely it would just be a small child sat side saddle being led around purely by the attendant? |
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Post by armada on Apr 7, 2012 7:11:10 GMT
Unless its a lead-rein best rider class, you are judging the pony for suitability etc etc, not the riders ability, so although in my opinion, a small child riding side-saddle, on a lead rein has a somewhat comic air about it, it should'nt really matter, although its not something I really like to see, unless in a Concours/fancy dress class as Emma-jane has said.
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Post by Ziggy on Apr 9, 2012 9:20:50 GMT
Unless its a lead-rein best rider class, you are judging the pony for suitability etc etc, not the riders ability, so although in my opinion, a small child riding side-saddle, on a lead rein has a somewhat comic air about it, it should'nt really matter, although its not something I really like to see, unless in a Concours/fancy dress class as Emma-jane has said. Not judging riders ability....?? if only that were true! don't reckon it is in most LR classes unfortunately. Told recently that most judges don't like older LR jockeys holding saddle in trot, it is only littlies that can do that. If it steadies the child and saves the ponies mouth surely they should not be put down for that but I'll bet they are. So many older children who may be in thier last year of LR but don't have the confidence as yet for FR are being put down I feel very sure!! Sorry off tangent for thread, side saddle in LR is bonkers if you ask me! |
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Post by would be lovely on Apr 9, 2012 12:25:26 GMT
Unless its a lead-rein best rider class, you are judging the pony for suitability etc etc, not the riders ability, so although in my opinion, a small child riding side-saddle, on a lead rein has a somewhat comic air about it, it should'nt really matter, although its not something I really like to see, unless in a Concours/fancy dress class as Emma-jane has said. Yes, that is what a lead rein pony class should be judged on and if only more judges would judge the pony. Riding ability is the last thing on my mind when looking at a lead rein class. A lead rein pony should carry its tiny jockey safely through any given circumstance. How many of them are true lead rein ponies, lets be honest! But as for the sidesaddle, was this a local show? |
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Post by flee on Apr 11, 2012 12:28:43 GMT
Please bear in mind that some people ( including small children ) ride side saddle due to physical problems/disabilities which make it difficult/impossible for them to ride astride and that these problems are not always obvious .
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Post by magpie on Apr 11, 2012 18:23:48 GMT
I think it is totally fine to ride side saddle in any class, even with a LR! My sister did side saddle a few years back with her connemara and there was a points system within the area so she wanted to get lots of points for riding side saddle, as well as because she absolutely loved it. She rode side-saddle in many classes, M&M, best combo, WHP but would always check with the steward or judge to see if it was ok. Most welcome it as its beautiful to watch. She also took her 15hh shp winter SJ at an indoor arena and won. SS shouldnt be restricted to just the Ladies hunter classes.
Boys can ride it too, there were one or two at the SS champs. Also agree with Flee, some ride it because of disabilities.
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Post by arrogorn on Apr 11, 2012 18:39:09 GMT
It is correct to ask the sect to ask the judge if a rider can ride sideways in an astride class, For adults/ ride judge classes an astride saddle must be provided for the ride judge. If a rider was riding sideways due to a disability and this was refused then the show would have to cover themselves in relation to discrimination. Any good judge will judge each individual as what they see in front of them, conf, way of going suitabililty etc.
I dont agree with LR been in anything other than a snaffle & there is no fixed rule in SS classes that a horse must be in a double. (although like any open class they do tend to to)
I have personally ridden may astride classes sideways, and even did open workers sideways in order to collect points.
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