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Post by lunesdalehoney on Apr 16, 2012 11:07:47 GMT
Hi There
I hope for an idea from everyone as im at my wits end, i have had coloureds before and shown successfully my last boy at RIHS level so i do know roughly what im doing, however my hubby has bought himslef a beautiful Pieblad Traditional filly but can we get her whites white can we fiddle, ive tried all the stain removing shampoos, Fairly Liquid lemon and green, Purple spray diluted, tomato ketchup left on to soak, you name it we have done it.
As for cover up tried the supreme products that worked a treat on my old trad they dont even touch her! Her worst bits are tail and reddy hocks from stable stains. Since weve had her she is getting there slowly and is much cleaner on shavings, but i need a miracle to get her in the show ring this year and it would be such a waste not to!
Just off to bath again, Vanish block soap and daz washing up powder have also been suggested but not used as yet.
Thanks in advance im now off to attempt the daily bathing routine!
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Post by danidyrfal on Apr 16, 2012 11:39:56 GMT
Use Fairy liquid its amazing i always wash whole body with it diluted in warm water and you can also use it neat on the stubbon stains, rub it in leave for a few minutes then wash. Good luck.
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Post by mf on Apr 16, 2012 12:01:33 GMT
Use Fairy liquid its amazing i always wash whole body with it diluted in warm water and you can also use it neat on the stubbon stains, rub it in leave for a few minutes then wash. Good luck. she says she's tried fairy liquid. I sympathise with you as have a hairy myself who came with revolting knees and hocks and although they have improved a bit he adores kneeling in poo and grinding it in and its a constant battle. when washed they still look 'yellow' in spite of much scrubbing. I am about to go through the washing cabinet and throw everything at them so if I find anything that works I will let you know. It is easier with a plaited horse as you can just clip off the offending bit but not so easy with a trad as you can't destroy the feather. |
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Post by carlybof on Apr 16, 2012 12:06:45 GMT
I have a piebald traditional, who's feathers and tail get disgusting before a show day, I have heard that net curtain wash is good for making things white if u leave on for 5 minutes an do not let it touch any skin! I use quicsilver and extreme white shampoo and artic white shampoo on mine, I do about 6 different washs!
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Post by workingcob on Apr 16, 2012 12:09:54 GMT
Nightmare - I have a coloured which delights in lying down with his (very white) cheeks using poo as a pillow (how can he?! I mean REALLY!) He also has a permanent yellowy stain on his upper thigh which, short of clipping off, I cannot get rid of I've tried everything - fairy liquid (bio, rather than non bio works better), specialist whitening shampoos for horses & cattle, Daz - you name it, I've tried it. I once asked a well known producer how she kept her coloured looking so sparkly white and she said he wore a body stocking whenever he wasnt being ridden, any poo stains which did sneak through were religiously washed off every morning, plus the horse was not allowed to lie down overnight before big shows. Not sure I'm willing to go to those extremes, but a miracle whitener would be nice. I have a white spray designed for use on show cattle (!) which is a very effective cover up but getting said coloured to agree to a) face washing and b) face painting is not much fun. Am thinking of resorting to one of those cone collars lol Modified to say, there's another thread running about this, where people are recommending various shampoos - scroll down the page a bit to see. Also, googling elsewhere, I found the following rules of thumb from a trad owner: * Use pig oil and sulphur in winter, it will not only prevent mites but keeps the hair from getting burnt and stained. * Plenty of hot water, Fairy green washing up liquid mixed with arial excel gel 50 - 50. Applied several times to the legs. Then go over with tresemme deep cleansing shampoo mixed with a little equine blue to get the yellow out. Then plenty of cheap conditioner. * If still a little yellow, use talc the next day. Do not use leg paste on feather - it looks terrible as it leaves them flat and dull. It you are desperate a tiny bit mixed in water and painted on the ends can help. * keep the mane in plaits and tail bagged * Whatever you do, do not use bleach - hair goes orange and brittle and all you can do is cut it off. This faff is why my next horse will be dark brown with little or no white  |
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Post by jacksprat on Apr 16, 2012 18:49:09 GMT
we found the best routine was not to let them get filthy in the first place, ie wash every couple of days, stains only,we got good results with iv horse shimmering white and touched up with supreme cover magic spray, apparently derby house do a stain spray called WOW its 20 quid but supposedly is great, eventually i sold my traddy and now stick with my 2 black fells, hair i can cope with, all that white did my head in
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Post by cazcox on Apr 16, 2012 20:12:05 GMT
We use Stardrops. You can get it from Asda or Sainsbury's. Brilliant stuff for getting stains out.
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Post by Trot-on on Apr 16, 2012 20:17:44 GMT
Heard 'Old Skool' soapy flakes keeps them whiter than white- they arent called 'old skool' btw but my nan said they are the type they used as a child!
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Post by watchbank on Apr 16, 2012 20:17:56 GMT
We use coconut shampoo then white paste and chalk
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Post by Milliesmum on Apr 16, 2012 20:22:35 GMT
I had a white grey, years ago, and used to use 'lincoln' horse shampoo, had a black label with yellow writing and smelt of the carbolic soap that my grandma used to have in the kitchen windowsill for my grandads collars before they went in the dolly tub! Goodness knows if you can still get it, but it was good stuff!
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Post by lunesdalehoney on Apr 17, 2012 9:22:44 GMT
Thanks everyone all noted and off to asda she smells like a launderette after yesterdays daz wash! Its a good job shes a little angle despite been the wrong colour. My grey fell scrubbed up fab as did my old trad im not been beaten by this red hocked yellow tailed monster! Especially as shes turning heads with the stains, ive clipped her out which has helped but cant go near legs as her feather begins from her hock bless her. First outing cheshire you may spot the illuminous pony if anyones going.
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Post by giggs on Apr 17, 2012 9:42:47 GMT
I used to have a little Grey section A pony and used "Dolly blues" flakes (old fashioned washing powder flakes).
I used to put the flakes in warm water then rub the stains with a handful of warm flakes.
I think you can still get this product from hardware stores.
I would always recommend a small patch test before using any detergents etc.
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Post by beachbum12 on Apr 17, 2012 9:59:39 GMT
All my horses are grey whites .. different skin and types wash different the welshies are easy but the white trad cobs they stain differently if one gets a particularly stubborn stain .. I mix purple washing up liquid with aloe vera persil washing up liquid and dove shampoo and conditioner and a bit of Daz in hot water and scrub like mad .... have found that if a stain has been left and is real bad particularly on the hocks ... that no amount of washing will remove I turn them out to roll ... the mud ... or indeed sand from the arena , gets the stain off .. yes you end up with a mucky muddy horse ,,, but its easier to wash mud off a grey than a stable stain ...and a good roll shifts the stubbornest ones ,... then I re bath x
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Post by tree on Apr 17, 2012 11:15:26 GMT
Granny's Soap Flakes are good and vanish stain remover/Ariel Excel gel but do a test patch first  |
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Post by lunesdalehoney on Apr 17, 2012 12:27:49 GMT
Please keep the ideas coming i have a great shopping list coming together now. I wil get rid of these stains somehow!
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Post by Dipsy on Apr 17, 2012 12:54:31 GMT
Another vote for star drops :-)
Plus shampoo that is designed for grey haired ladies (my hairdresser friend got me some)
Fairy washing powder for sensitive skin is another
Plus plenty of elbow grease and scrubbing brushes lol
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Post by qbc on Apr 17, 2012 12:54:33 GMT
Hi working cob, hope you found those tips helpful.
Since then I have been further experimenting.
I have found when all else fails arial stain remover - blue one on long hair and hocks to work very well but don't use too often, don't leave on too long and patch test first as it is strong stuff.
Hot water and fairy is very effective.
I am also trialing some napisan as I have heard good things about this.
Pig oil applied, again patch test over anything that sticks out of the rug helps stop staining.
Mine live out on clay so I need to have an extensive list of things to try. I start with fairy, then tresume and blue powder from supreme, and then work up to the arial. I also use lots of cheap conditioner to keep the hair in good condition as when it gets dry it stains more.
Tail bags are a life saver and night before I use a full body with hood, leg wraps and a t/o rug on top and this helps with a lot of the dirt.
Grannies soap flakes and hot water is very good, especially on those with sensitive skins and a lot of the heavy horse folks use them.
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Post by workingcob on Apr 17, 2012 17:17:22 GMT
Hi working cob, hope you found those tips helpful. Since then I have been further experimenting. I have found when all else fails arial stain remover - blue one on long hair and hocks to work very well but don't use too often, don't leave on too long and patch test first as it is strong stuff. Hot water and fairy is very effective. I am also trialing some napisan as I have heard good things about this. Pig oil applied, again patch test over anything that sticks out of the rug helps stop staining. Mine live out on clay so I need to have an extensive list of things to try. I start with fairy, then tresume and blue powder from supreme, and then work up to the arial. I also use lots of cheap conditioner to keep the hair in good condition as when it gets dry it stains more. Tail bags are a life saver and night before I use a full body with hood, leg wraps and a t/o rug on top and this helps with a lot of the dirt. Grannies soap flakes and hot water is very good, especially on those with sensitive skins and a lot of the heavy horse folks use them. aha Stinky's mum! He's very lovely |
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Post by mf on Apr 17, 2012 20:54:51 GMT
Plus shampoo that is designed for grey haired ladies (my hairdresser friend got me some) I used some of this on my coloured and did a patch test which was fine. Then applied to all his white bits the morning of a show and the wretched stuff wouldn't wash out  he had a distinctly blue tinge for a week or more. |
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Post by lovespirit on Apr 17, 2012 21:18:12 GMT
I used to use blue bags on my coloured years ago but now they are hard to get hold of.
Have you tried Champion Tails? Its Australian, you can get it from Risley Saddlery, its a bit more expensive but you only need to use a small amount and it works wonders on my grey. Then I use a Tailgator tail bag all the time.
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Post by Dipsy on Apr 18, 2012 8:31:57 GMT
Plus shampoo that is designed for grey haired ladies (my hairdresser friend got me some) I used some of this on my coloured and did a patch test which was fine. Then applied to all his white bits the morning of a show and the wretched stuff wouldn't wash out he had a distinctly blue tinge for a week or more. Oh no :-( We was given this tip by someone at Yorkshire show last year and it seems ok for us You could start a new trend, blue rinses on ponies lol |
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Post by Sasha on Apr 18, 2012 8:40:10 GMT
Blue bags are still sold on amazon! Dolly blue bags they do have another name but I can't remember it just search dolly blue wash bag it should come up
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Post by Philippa on Apr 18, 2012 12:33:10 GMT
I used some of this on my coloured and did a patch test which was fine. Then applied to all his white bits the morning of a show and the wretched stuff wouldn't wash out he had a distinctly blue tinge for a week or more. Oh no :-( We was given this tip by someone at Yorkshire show last year and it seems ok for us You could start a new trend, blue rinses on ponies lol I turned raydar purple a week before the Yorkshire one year!!! Took some amount of baths to get him back to white. It was a purple horse shampoo I used too. Think it was called blue snow or something along those lines. Lol |
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Post by Dipsy on Apr 18, 2012 12:48:13 GMT
Oh no :-( We was given this tip by someone at Yorkshire show last year and it seems ok for us You could start a new trend, blue rinses on ponies lol I turned raydar purple a week before the Yorkshire one year!!! Took some amount of baths to get him back to white. It was a purple horse shampoo I used too. Think it was called blue snow or something along those lines. Lol Hmm looks like we could be starting a products to avoid lol |
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Post by lunesdalehoney on Apr 18, 2012 16:03:03 GMT
Just ordered wow from healing tree uk pinched off another thread so see how that one goes. The funny side is she hates been out in the field unless your with her and will jump anything to come back in, and also yet to see her roll so turnout not an option for this madam!!! Painful to say the least its a good job shes gorgeous with it!!
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Post by kidside on Apr 18, 2012 17:57:41 GMT
Just ordered wow from healing tree uk pinched off another thread so see how that one goes. The funny side is she hates been out in the field unless your with her and will jump anything to come back in, and also yet to see her roll so turnout not an option for this madam!!! Painful to say the least its a good job shes gorgeous with it!! I have used this on a yellow tail as per the instructions soak tail wrap it overnight and it did absolutely nothing what a waste of £19.00 have tried it twice and not shifted anything think I will write to them for my money back, fingers crossed it works on the body! |
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Post by SRM on Apr 18, 2012 19:54:32 GMT
A few shampoos I use are Cowboy Magic Shine in Yellow out, Horse Health Bright Whites, White and Brite, yellow fairy liquid and good old green soap. The best thing of all I find is using warm water - it definately makes stain removal quicker and easier...
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Post by georgie0 on Apr 18, 2012 20:34:15 GMT
maybe of help; this website sells old fashiones soap flakes and laundry blueing. www.carbolicsoap.com/index.php from what i can gather, the blue tablet needs to be put in cloth then stirred into last rinse water while squeezing . Then dip (could be interesting with a horse!) items in for a short time and keep them moving. Its called Reckitt's blue. Also on ebay, sold for use as blue water in carribean rituals apparently! |
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