Competitors calling the judge by first name....

[hursty100]

Dont shoot me in the foot when I say this, but:

I have been to 3 qualifier shows recently and I have seen the competitors in 1st, 2nd and 3rd who are all producers and amateurs speak to the judge by there first name on a freindship term.

I saw a bloke the other day with his horse say to the judge:
"Hey George, fancy seeing you here again"

and another competitor have a full conversation with the conformation judge asking how he was and hows the other horse doing these days and wheres he going next week.

It really gets me, that when you know someone who is a judge. You choose to avoid going under them as its awkward for them and your self.

My mum (bless her) who dosnt groom and is pretty clueless picked up on this when she was grooming and said "why arnt you chatting to the judge like that"...
Me: " I have no idea who he is? And appart from being polite when infront of him- I will do my job with my horse".

Is it fair?

sorry for a quick moan, I'm pretty sure other people have wasted good money on paying for there entry only to find the top 3 had had a good conversation with the judge...

[rightrein92]

you would have thought that the judge would have been more professional in his/her manner and not got into a conversation in the ring with one of the competitors....although i have seen a judge go for lunch in a ladys lorry whos pony won under him an hour later....coincidence ......i think not !

[rubydoo]

i was always taught even if you know a judge you do not speak unless to say good morning / your asked questions about your ride .
I think its highly unproffessional of the judge.

[zeebeedee]

A couple of years back at a big show watching a class my jon-horsey but observant friend said to me that a particular horse would do well as rider and judge had been outside have a long chat, it was pulled in 7th or 8th out of about 25. I said thought that was going to do well or something along those lines. In the final line up it moved up to first not appearing to have given a better ride than anything else above it. Seemed slightly suspect even if it wasnt.

[owston]

What about judges calling competitor's into line by their first names? I saw this being done last year at a welsh medal show. I wasn't competing just watching and heard it happen twice with two different competitors!!

[catkin]

I think the point is that they shouldn't do this in the ring. We would be deluding ourselves to think that some people don't know each other's names. Its a pretty small world. But its totally inappropriate in the ring.

[Dipsy]

Apr 27, 2012 9:07:11 GMT owston said:

What about judges calling competitor's into line by their first names? I saw this being done last year at a welsh medal show. I wasn't competing just watching and heard it happen twice with two different competitors!!

I know this happen too, it frustrates me!! Especially when the person in question was pulled in first grrrrrr!!!
I've spoke to the judges but outside of the ring when the classes have finished to ask for advise, but ALWAYS addressed them as mr "x".....sorry don't want to mention the judges name on here!
To me you only speak to the judge when they ask you questions or to say good morning, they are judging your horse not speaking to you !!!!

[thecremellosociety]

You cannot stop a competitor addressing a judge on first name terms and saying things in the ring, but would hope the judge would just politley go about thier business and ignore it

Dont blame the judge because people know thier names, admitadly if a judge was to call competitors onf frist names IN the ring would be disappointed at thier conduct.

Its a small world and you know alot of people, you expect discretion from Judges & competitors alike, but if no boundaries crossed, ie families, business/ production arrangements then you wouldnt show if you knew alot of people, theres knowing people and KNOWING people .....

[thecremellosociety]

AND sometimes it just so happens that they do have blooming good horses that deserve their placings, so ensure its not just sour grapes

[viking]

Agree on both counts EmmaJane.

[Youveanerve]

Seems karma has come round to bite the op on the bum. As many have observed at the show YOU run the horse YOU produce that's in livery with YOU winning every class it enters with the owner then while you and owner and judges all have lunch together at shows the said horse stands champion or reserve every time. Then you have the nerve to enter amateur classes for rihs (already qualified) where I think you will find you can't produce or livery to compete in. Wouldn't have the nerve to come on here and moan!!!

[FF]

ooopps Busted! lol Glass houses and all that.

Even if you know the judge you should act like you don't if they are judging YOU or a friend of yours.

[cheekymare]

What an observation on knowing Judges.....

Can any of us call ourselves Amateur anymore? I can't because I know now thanks to recent post on here that amatuer now means- I must breed ponies, get paid to produce ponies for others and have already qualified in pre events-
So I thought Amatuer actually meant that really decent people with their own ponies that found time to go to shows and have some fun with their friends and watch other ponies just like them was what it was all about
I feel so embarassed calling myself an Amateur now I realise that to do so I must breed, produce and pre qualify.......Oh well, at least I know now.....! Thanks for all the posts, and on the judges thread, I take it I am missing 'get together coffee mornings' to be within the 'inner-circle' and actually get a decent placing!!!!

[friendly banter]

Most judges of a certain age will have known competitors since they were in Lead rein classes. If judges don't call them by their first names then the stewards usually do. I have witnessed this at HOYs, especially in childrens classes right up to Intermediates. It's sometimes far easier to remember first names than surnames especially as those competitors that have moved up into horse classes might well be married by this stage. I do draw the line however for competitors to address judges on first name terms. One would think that they would have learn't respect along the way. I still do believe that the best horse will win on the day if piloted correctly, regardless of who is on board!

[hursty100]

youveannerve is that comment based at me? You have got to be joking. If i think you are the person i think you are then you better get your facts right. I dont mind standing down line as my horse isnt purfect as he was bred for sj and i've been bloody lucky to have done what i have done with him. I am proud that I have got him this far, so really appart from being green eyed...
Look I'm sooooo lucky to be placed at all and i'm happy to stand down line, but my orginal comment was the fact I have seen competitors speak to judges on a friendship bases, as some of the comments above me have aslo witnesses. Its dosnt affect my placing as i'm happily to be placed if at all.
so whats yoru problem?

[kayjayem]

Apr 27, 2012 20:28:47 GMT @cheekymare said:

What an observation on knowing Judges.....

Can any of us call ourselves Amateur anymore? I can't because I know now thanks to recent post on here that amatuer now means- I must breed ponies, get paid to produce ponies for others and have already qualified in pre events-
So I thought Amatuer actually meant that really decent people with their own ponies that found time to go to shows and have some fun with their friends and watch other ponies just like them was what it was all about
I feel so embarassed calling myself an Amateur now I realise that to do so I must breed, produce and pre qualify.......Oh well, at least I know now.....! Thanks for all the posts, and on the judges thread, I take it I am missing 'get together coffee mornings' to be within the 'inner-circle' and actually get a decent placing!!!!

[Guess whO]

Apr 27, 2012 18:58:55 GMT @Youveanerve said:

Seems karma has come round to bite the op on the bum. As many have observed at the show YOU run the horse YOU produce that's in livery with YOU winning every class it enters with the owner then while you and owner and judges all have lunch together at shows the said horse stands champion or reserve every time. Then you have the nerve to enter amateur classes for rihs (already qualified) where I think you will find you can't produce or livery to compete in. Wouldn't have the nerve to come on here and moan!!![/quote

Any one get the feeling that this person and Cheekymare are the same people? hmmmmmmm someones abit jel...

[fanfarefan]

if ever theres a saying that touches this subject , ITS NOT WHAT YOU KNOW , ITS WHO YOU KNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hursty100]

Oh lord here we go again. I Agree with your fanfarefan, I came name one person now who has stirred alot of trouble up for me and here she goes again.
If its upsetting that one person, well 'lli take it off. Sorry for farting...
Should know better now since you cant even comment on here with out someone back stabbing who you have helped. I did say dont shoot me in the foot as I where making a open opinion... no hard feelings

[potterton]

'youveanerve'

I am assuming you are talking about my youngster with your comments -she is not 'produced' but merely a livery-I dont have the means to have 'produced ponies'-nor would I want to. If my memory serves me correctly when you were a livery at said yard you used to compete at the show-and do very well-short term memory loss dear? POt kettle black and all that......

Most places that have liveries and also organise shows tend to have their liveries competing-and why not when you are on the premises??? The judges that attend also judge all over the county so just as likely to be under them at any other show?

And for your information-I have not nor would I ever have my lunch with the judge while competing!!!!!!I have been showing and judging for over 40 years and would like to think I always act with a modicum of professionalism!!!
Please ensure your facts are correct and your own house in order before 'mud slinging' at others.
Of course people who have had horses and shown for years are bound to know both the judges and stewards-as other people have already stated its all about being professional while in the show ring-I believe thats the point that was being made before all the 'personal comments' were made???

[youveanerve]

A mere livery darling means she can NOT compete in amateur class i will copy the rules for you, as she has qualified will the ticket be sent back?

Definition of Amateur Status: A person is an amateur for showing purposes, when showing ridden hunter in an amateur class, if he or she does not: 1.) Engage in breeding, livery, buying, selling, dealing or hiring horses as a means of deriving a main source of income, since 1st Jan 2009 2.) Accept remuneration whether it be monetary or goods in kind for employment in connection with horses in a racing, showing or livery stables or riding school (instruction at Pony Club & Riding Club excepted), since 1st Jan 2009 3.) Show a horse owned or sponsored by a company or commercial firm, or a horse for which his or her immediate family accepts livery or training charges from a person outside the immediate concern, since 1st Jan 2009 4.) Show a horse which a professional rider has qualified in the Weight or Small ridden Hunter Class for either the HOYS or the RIHS during the current year, unless the horse has subsequently been re-registered under new ownership. 5.) Professional show persons must not enter the Amateur Ring whilst the classes are in progress. 6.) A Professional Rider must not ride or exercise an Amateurs horse on the day it is competing in Amateur Classes.

Oh dear seems your previous posts shows her riding your horses that are on livery too at shows, awfully nice livery yard owner who just rides your animal at shows for nothing in return?!

[stunstead]

Apr 28, 2012 16:30:34 GMT potterton said:

'youveanerve'

I am assuming you are talking about my youngster with your comments -she is not 'produced' but merely a livery-I dont have the means to have 'produced ponies'-nor would I want to. If my memory serves me correctly when you were a livery at said yard you used to compete at the show-and do very well-short term memory loss dear? POt kettle black and all that......

Most places that have liveries and also organise shows tend to have their liveries competing-and why not when you are on the premises??? The judges that attend also judge all over the county so just as likely to be under them at any other show?

And for your information-I have not nor would I ever have my lunch with the judge while competing!!!!!!I have been showing and judging for over 40 years and would like to think I always act with a modicum of professionalism!!!
Please ensure your facts are correct and your own house in order before 'mud slinging' at others.
Of course people who have had horses and shown for years are bound to know both the judges and stewards-as other people have already stated its all about being professional while in the show ring-I believe thats the point that was being made before all the 'personal comments' were made???

I assume this comment is being aimed at myself, and I can assure you the above comments are absolutely nothing to do with me.

Why dont you ask one of the moderators to find out who the guests are that are posting these comments. They have the ability to find out the email address that they have come from. |If you dont do this, please be assured that I will be doing it myself, as I dont appreciate being blamed for something I have not done.

Hursty100, I noticed somebody made a similar comment on your shows page on Facebook which you removed and straight after deleted me as a friend and blocked me. That was also nothing to do with me. Just because the person that asked a question has the same breed of ponies as me, it doesnt mean that I said anything to this person. The last time I spoke or had any contact with them was last summer, until I saw them at your first points show this year.

Before you start blaming people for things they have not done I suggest you make sure you have the right culprit.

Please contact a moderator to find out who has been posting these comments about you. I come on this forum for pleasure and should not have to waste time defending myself for something that is absolutely nothing to do with me.

[potterton]

Apr 28, 2012 18:48:22 GMT @youveanerve said:

A mere livery darling means she can NOT compete in amateur class i will copy the rules for you, as she has qualified will the ticket be sent back?

Definition of Amateur Status: A person is an amateur for showing purposes, when showing ridden hunter in an amateur class, if he or she does not: 1.) Engage in breeding, livery, buying, selling, dealing or hiring horses as a means of deriving a main source of income, since 1st Jan 2009 2.) Accept remuneration whether it be monetary or goods in kind for employment in connection with horses in a racing, showing or livery stables or riding school (instruction at Pony Club & Riding Club excepted), since 1st Jan 2009 3.) Show a horse owned or sponsored by a company or commercial firm, or a horse for which his or her immediate family accepts livery or training charges from a person outside the immediate concern, since 1st Jan 2009 4.) Show a horse which a professional rider has qualified in the Weight or Small ridden Hunter Class for either the HOYS or the RIHS during the current year, unless the horse has subsequently been re-registered under new ownership. 5.) Professional show persons must not enter the Amateur Ring whilst the classes are in progress. 6.) A Professional Rider must not ride or exercise an Amateurs horse on the day it is competing in Amateur Classes.

Oh dear seems your previous posts shows her riding your horses that are on livery too at shows, awfully nice livery yard owner who just rides your animal at shows for nothing in return?!

[Guess whO]

Apr 28, 2012 18:48:22 GMT @youveanerve said:

A mere livery darling means she can NOT compete in amateur class i will copy the rules for you, as she has qualified will the ticket be sent back?

Definition of Amateur Status: A person is an amateur for showing purposes, when showing ridden hunter in an amateur class, if he or she does not: 1.) Engage in breeding, livery, buying, selling, dealing or hiring horses as a means of deriving a main source of income, since 1st Jan 2009 2.) Accept remuneration whether it be monetary or goods in kind for employment in connection with horses in a racing, showing or livery stables or riding school (instruction at Pony Club & Riding Club excepted), since 1st Jan 2009 3.) Show a horse owned or sponsored by a company or commercial firm, or a horse for which his or her immediate family accepts livery or training charges from a person outside the immediate concern, since 1st Jan 2009 4.) Show a horse which a professional rider has qualified in the Weight or Small ridden Hunter Class for either the HOYS or the RIHS during the current year, unless the horse has subsequently been re-registered under new ownership. 5.) Professional show persons must not enter the Amateur Ring whilst the classes are in progress. 6.) A Professional Rider must not ride or exercise an Amateurs horse on the day it is competing in Amateur Classes.

Oh dear seems your previous posts shows her riding your horses that are on livery too at shows, awfully nice livery yard owner who just rides your animal at shows for nothing in return?!

Hmmmm, I've known hursty100 for many years. And as far as i'm concerned its her parents yard and its not like her family doesn't have any money...
She has worked so hard to get where she has got and deserves that ticket. She does have other peoples ponies on her parents yard which she is loaning and is registered as a loan of 2 ponies. Which means that they are registered in her keep. She is so passionate about what she does and loves to ride as she has rode my pony many a times and wouldn't not accept pay! I don't know the other people she has loaned the ponies off, but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't put herself in a position like that. Good on her, i hope she doesn't get hurt by your nasty comments youveannerve.
As far as i can see, you clearly don't know her youveannearve.
And why don't you come out with your real name.
I'm not a member on here and don't tend to comment, but I feel the accusations you aiming at her are false.

[Milliesmum]

Since this seems to be a personal point between certain individuals, and not a general thread for discussion by all members, I think it's time to lock this now.

Since you all seem to know each other I'm sure you can sort it out in person without the need to argue on a public forum.