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Post by horseylady on May 27, 2012 22:32:50 GMT
Interesting because as a breeder I would never sell a puppy to anyone who works full time, on benefits etc. I think possibly that centre may be a bit over the top as the odd 5 hour stint is ok. Thats a very interesting comment... why wouldn't you sell a pup to someone on benefits?? x |
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Post by dazycutter on May 28, 2012 9:58:58 GMT
Horseylady, I wouldn't as if they are on benefits, then presumably money is tight. Dogs do cost a lot to keep, feed, insure, vets bills etc..... I would want the best care for any of the dogs I sell on. I am not saying they wouldnt love it but could they honestly afford to keep it? and to be honest, if they can afford £750 for a puppy, then I too am going on benefits  |
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Post by nia2311 on May 28, 2012 18:29:08 GMT
I don't agree with the 5hr thing so long as they have plenty of space, water etc and something to play with (i.e. not your slippers). We had a runty black Lab as kids, Mum took pity on him from a local breeder and paid her £50 for him as he was about to be whacked over the head with a shovel..... He had dysplasia and had a full hip replacement as a youngster. He lived an otherwise healthy and full life, died at age 14 having had a stroke overnight. He did have a spot of arthritis in his latter years, but so do many dogs, and it did not disable him unduly. We also had a rough collie, again rescued from a poor farm breeder, riddled with every parasite on record. Again, lived to 14, died of a broken heart when the black Lab died. He literally went from being in A1 health, to being a depressed dog with no appetite after Sam died.
Both dogs were left in the house while my mother worked and we were at school. Most probably over 5hrs. They were both extremely healthy, correct weight, never messed the house, only the Lab would try to destroy things and he soon grew out of it. Although he had a penchant for the kitchen bin. They were walked twice or thrice daily, depending on the day and were the best family pets ever. They were 6 months younger than me, and I practically lived in their baskets as a baby....
If you did not allow full time workers to have dogs or other pets, you would soon see the rescue centres literally implode with basket cases, as if they aren't already full enough. We have house rabbits, kept in one large living room. They are never ever shut in, they are littered trained, have 24/7 food and water on tap and are quite happy hopping around the room, sleeping, eating and playing with their toys while we are out at work.
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Post by dazycutter on May 28, 2012 20:08:03 GMT
nia2311, dogs do get used to what ever environment you bring them up in and have lovely lives, however for me, I iwill not sell puppies to anypeople or couples who work full time, thats my perogative and none of my puppies have ever ended up in the rescue centre.
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Post by horseylady on May 28, 2012 20:18:44 GMT
Hmmm lets hope no one who buys one of your lovely pups ever lose there job, and find themselves having to fall back on benefits xx
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Post by nia2311 on May 28, 2012 21:21:45 GMT
Dazycutter my comment wasn't aimed at you directly, just a general comment, especially the story of the rescue centres putting time limits on home alone time. The majority of people who can afford a dog of any kind, particularly a pure bred from a breeder, MUST work, often full time, so I feel that rescue centres shoot themselves quite firmly in the foot if they make up such rules. There are so many animals of all species abandoned in rescues who would find excellent, loving homes with full time workers, who have the money to spend on their health care for a start. Lack of fund for vets bills is now a No.1 reason for people abandoning their pets. I am in close contact with a specialist rabbit/guinea pig rescue locally, she is inundated with animals, many with health problems both preventable and non-preventable. We own one of her rescues, a Netherlands dwarf rabbit. He has chronic health problems, caused by prior poor care, which we can only afford to treat because we work. He has a fab life, his ailments do not impair his quality of life, but without 4 weekly vet visits and constant medication, his life would be atrocious and he would eventually starve to death. Many owners would have had him PTS by now as he is an expensive little devil. He is worth every penny, but his vet bills cost probably 20 times what someone paid Pets at Home for him............  |
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Post by horseylady on May 28, 2012 23:02:41 GMT
He is just adorable xx
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Post by dazycutter on May 29, 2012 1:47:26 GMT
Yes, let's hope so, but that is totally different to selling a puppy to someone already on benefits.
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Post by amumwithapony on May 29, 2012 5:33:05 GMT
Lovely bunny, we had netherland dwarfs as kids and they are lovely pets.
With regards to selling to someone on benefits, I don't think I would either. If they are actively looking for work, ie on jobseekers allowance then I would be concerned that they would get a job that wouldn't suit the dog and the dog would be left alone for too many hours a day. There are times when my dog is left for 5 or 6 hours, but to be honest thats very rare as I work from home.
If they are on some kind of sick pay then presumably they are too ill to work either full or part time and I would worry that the dog would suffer as a consequence of their ill health. Buying a puppy is a 15 year commitment IMO, and if someone is ill enough to recieve these benefits then they are too ill to look after a puppy from its baby years through to its adult years.
I can sort of understand where rescue centres are coming from. The dogs in their care have obviously had at least one home (barring puppies born in there) where things haven't worked out. Quite often this is because people don't realise the amount of work and time you need to have a dog and the dog doesn't fit in with their lifestyles.
We waited a long time to be able to have a puppy (bought a 6 month old whippet 6 months ago). I used to work 3 full days a week and by the time I'd dropped my daughter off at breakfast club, then picked her up from after school club I would be out of the house for 9 hours+. My OH is out 12 hours a day and I just think it would have been unfair on a dog to be left alone for that amount of time on a regular basis. They may get used to it but I would imagine if you could ask them what they want in an owner that wouldn't be it, even if the rest of the time they have company.
And if you breed responsiblily then you can pick and choose who your puppies go to. Peoples circumstancs do change, but if you start off with the best homes possible then you are doing the right thing by your puppies.
We recently went from 12 ponies down to 5. We turned a lot of people away for the 7 we sold. Most were homebred so we had a responsibilty to the pony that we found it the best possible home for them. It may not work out for all of them, circumstances do change. But if we had sold to people who had the transient lifestyle of relying solely on benefits then I bet the circumstances would have changed a lot sooner than someone in work.
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Post by piaffe on May 29, 2012 6:32:07 GMT
I have a rescue dog and work full time. If my daughter is going to be at college all day. He is taken to my mums. I wouldnt like to have to wait longer than 5 hours for the toilet so why should he ! He also loves visiting his Gran, gets spoilt rotton ! But to be honest alot of rescues wouldnt have let me have him because I work 9-5. But my dogs have always gone to my mums during the day . we say he's a time share dog and when we go on holiday its not stressful as he's used to being at my mums. I do think I am lucky to have this option !
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Post by dazycutter on May 29, 2012 7:47:28 GMT
you know, I know plenty of people who work and have dogs, and as I said before, they do get conditioned to it and dont lead neglected lives at all. They are happy well balanced dogs.
As a breeder, I have the right to decide who will buy my puppies and I vet the homes very carefuly before agreeing to sell them a dog. In 20 years, I have ever only had one back and that was because the owner had a baby and couldnt cope with him... he is still with me 5 years on.
I think these rescue homes place quite stringent rules as they dont want the dogs coming back for the sake of the dogs metal well being. Being re homed can have traumatic effects on some dogs who in such cases end up being PTS.
They set guidelines for re homing and they stick to them.
AMWAP, well said and for the life of me I dont see how a family on benefits have what amounts to just under a thousand pounds disposable income to buy a puppy!
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Post by vikki85 on May 31, 2012 14:35:22 GMT
I have a rescue dog and work full time. If my daughter is going to be at college all day. He is taken to my mums. I wouldnt like to have to wait longer than 5 hours for the toilet so why should he ! He also loves visiting his Gran, gets spoilt rotton ! But to be honest alot of rescues wouldnt have let me have him because I work 9-5. But my dogs have always gone to my mums during the day . we say he's a time share dog and when we go on holiday its not stressful as he's used to being at my mums. I do think I am lucky to have this option ! Snap sidni-b, I work full time and I go to the yard and ride straight from work so am out of the house for around 9 hours a day - my dog goes to my mum's where there is another dog whom she has known since a puppy and there is always someone in all day. Also agree it's much less stressful when going on holiday as my dog is quite happy being at my mums. I'm also lucky in that my dad is a great dog lover and will take her if I'm going to be at a show all day with the horses - he takes her on really long walks and she's knackered when I pick her up! lol. I do understand dazycutter's reasons, I wouldn't be able to have my dog if I didn't have the solution of taking her to my mums as it just wouldn't be fair on her. |
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Post by sometime on Sept 27, 2012 11:33:45 GMT
Some of the rescue rules are mildly ridiculous I was refused because I have cream carpets I have cream carpets because our last dog was a cream golden retriever so they didnt show the hair as much.
I bought a labrador funnily enough she is a yellow one so still blends with the carpets but I bought her because she was my pick of the litter and not because she matches anything. Her sister who is black was also on my short list. Anyone who buys a designer dog should make sure they are hip scored ok I will concede that a small number may be but the huge majority are not. Most are also convinced that a poodle cross wont shed but that is also a myth some do some dont depends on the dog. If they dont shed you them have monthly bills for trimming and shampooing unless of course you can do a reasonable job yourself. Some have long fluffy coats and shed like the labrador ie permanently so dont actually do what it ways on the tin but each to their own it is their money and their choice lets forget the poor rejects or those that maybe are not as healthy as they should be
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Post by sometime on Sept 27, 2012 11:37:28 GMT
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