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Post by rhosyn on Apr 30, 2012 10:31:04 GMT
I find it absolutely gobsmacking that you will often nowadays pay less for a quality example of a KC Reg pedigree dog than for some of these fashionable crosses!! They are basically mongrels for goodness sake! Even if mum and dad are pedigree! Don't get me wrong, I'm not the KC's biggest fan, and I feel they have the monopoly on registration of dogs. Was just amazed - and I'm, not anti mongrel either, I have a Whippet x JR who is supposed to be for my husband to go ratting with but he's the biggest gentlest softie ever and wouldn't dream of killing anything   Just thought I'd get some opinions! |
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Post by viking on Apr 30, 2012 10:36:17 GMT
You pay your money and take your choice.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2012 10:38:46 GMT
i rescued a chihuahua x daschund, yes mongrel, anyway turns out they are a huge breed in america, a Chiweenie. As i love her hugely and she is super cute, i went online to see if anyone was breeding in the uk. £695, its cheaper to get an actually daschund or a chihuahua.
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Post by rhosyn on Apr 30, 2012 10:42:37 GMT
Bonkers, isn't it lol
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Post by viking on Apr 30, 2012 10:59:10 GMT
Not really. The same care and attention has to be given to a litter of puppies whether they are designer, or pedigree, and if people want to buy then, well why not? |
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Post by rhosyn on Apr 30, 2012 11:14:27 GMT
Yes Viking I agree with that, but what I'm saying is if pedigree dogs, for example Lab or Cocker puppies go for around £450+ does it then cost more to keep crossbreeds such as labradoodles or any of these other crosses? Of course not. I'm not against the high prices for the designer crosses, (mostly because I wouldn't want one myself, we have gundogs and these crosses aren't proven yet), I'm just amazed at the high prices and what people will pay - and they say we're in a recession  |
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Post by viking on Apr 30, 2012 11:21:02 GMT
Same comment. If it's what people want...... whether it be designer dogs, or dresses |
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Post by rhosyn on Apr 30, 2012 11:22:27 GMT
I guess it's like me and cars lol lol
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Post by greasedweasel on Apr 30, 2012 12:10:52 GMT
I was quite surprised to see a sign outside a pet shop locally saying "Cookerpoos, £620 cash" - now quite why it was to be cash... we can all wonder I can see they will be nice little dogs but honestly from a pet shop, you wouldn't would you? Came home and saw some nice youngsters, Conn x TB, Cobs etc, foals to three year olds advertised on FB in the same area for £150 - £300. Depressing. |
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Post by rhosyn on May 1, 2012 7:31:11 GMT
Lol I take it with a nice telephone number. Hope the taxman doesnt see it!!!
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Post by Sharan on May 9, 2012 21:30:05 GMT
I think a lot of people are going for the hybrid (mongrel) vigor. SO many pure breds now have in bred health problems and the mongrels often last a lot longer and have so many less problems.
No one questions cross bred horses, a good cross is a good cross. :-)
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Post by 09rebel99 on May 9, 2012 21:55:21 GMT
We wanted a puppy and I was looking for about a month but prices are just horrendous!! I was so surprised. We were open to breeds we just wanted a medium sized short haired dog or bit*h.
I really dont know where people get the money to buy these dogs from as there are so many around (I did go to local rescue centres but did not agree with their policies ect but thats a long story!!)
We ended up with a gorgeous girly who's mum was a pressa x staff and dad was a dogue de bordoux. She was £200 and the cheapest advertised by far that I had seen. She was still with mum and had had her 1st jab. I paid double for my dog than what I did for my pony but in the long term that doesnt matter as they all get spoilt rotten!! :-)
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Post by 09rebel99 on May 9, 2012 21:57:59 GMT
Heres a pic :-)
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Post by rhosyn on May 10, 2012 9:27:04 GMT
Aw I can't open the pic  |
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Post by dazycutter on May 11, 2012 11:03:45 GMT
lets face it, if you can get the money for a mongrel, then good for you. Sorry, I disagree about pure breds and health issues. We are getting clamped down so much now by the KC and our specific breeds being fit for purpose and having to have genetic / health tests before we can register litters (which is a great thing). Not being able to have more than 5 litters from one bit*h, no more than one litter a year, no litters after the age of 8 etc etc What really rattles me and I wont apologise for it is that the X bred breeders do not have these stipulations and governance checks so can breed whatever rubbish they choose too and as many times as they want.  To advertise on a side of a road with a sign, basically says it all. I wonder if they give the new owners, puppy packs, feeding advice, home checks, contracts, gurantees that they will return the money if the puppy is not suited or has any health problems in 2 weeks, take the dog back at any age if it doesnt work out etc etc... hmmm I bet they dont. Do they pay to register the litter - no. I have nothing agaisnt cross breed at all, but it does make me rather mad... sorry, rant over....  |
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Post by sarahp on May 11, 2012 12:16:40 GMT
Seconded!
We have two of mixed/unknown breeding - one from an unintended litter and the other a rescue found straying. The former cost £50 10 years ago and the latter a donation, both of which were fair enough, and we knew we took risks healthwise which we accepted - senior dog (the £50 one) has a clicky hip which she came with at 7 weeks old so has been on joint supplement all her life and it gives her no pain. Apart from that both have been healthy but they might not have been. But I would never pay silly prices for a mongrel, fashionable or not.
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Post by horsesmakemehappy on May 11, 2012 13:35:27 GMT
i went to pick my two irish wolfhound x borders up which were going for £30 each when i got there the woman just said i could have them for free and wasnt bothered about the money both dogs are healthy and sound and so lovable and happy so not all crazy prices thankfully :@)
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Post by sarahp on May 11, 2012 15:14:08 GMT
I'm sure lovely dogs but the mind boggles at the thought of the mating!
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Post by horsesmakemehappy on May 11, 2012 15:15:58 GMT
tell me about it lol i was intrigued when i had read the advert to what the parents where like and pups looked like, they looked like borders when born but now def smaller versions of irish wolfhounds scruffy but cute lol
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Post by vikki85 on May 13, 2012 11:58:28 GMT
I paid £550 for my non-KC reg siberian husky - MUG! lol. However, I would pay it again tomorrow as she is the most wonderful pet, adores children and other dogs, she has such a great personailty and keeps me fit with all the exercise she needs, I wouldn't swap her for the world <3
I've had her spayed as I have no intention of bringing any more non KC reg or mongrel dogs into the world when rescues are overflowing - I have nothing against those of you on here who breed dogs by the way, as I know the majority of you are responsible breeders, but as I am not an expert I would never do it myself.
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Post by sometime on May 22, 2012 14:11:19 GMT
Problem with designer dogs is that there is never a record of health checks. Labradors and poodles have hip problems so a labradoodle is almost twice as likely to get them not many breeders do the very expensive x rays and health checks as it is easier to just stick a huge price tag and hope for the best. I agree it is up to the buyer but it is not good for the poor puppy that has to suffer great pain and distress if it a) has to be treated for hip dysplasia b) if that cant be afforded pays with its life c) lives in agony or gets an extended life in the indignity of wheels for back legs
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Post by kayjayem on May 22, 2012 22:15:00 GMT
Problem with designer dogs is that there is never a record of health checks. Labradors and poodles have hip problems so a labradoodle is almost twice as likely to get them not many breeders do the very expensive x rays and health checks as it is easier to just stick a huge price tag and hope for the best. I agree it is up to the buyer but it is not good for the poor puppy that has to suffer great pain and distress if it a) has to be treated for hip dysplasia b) if that cant be afforded pays with its life c) lives in agony or gets an extended life in the indignity of wheels for back legs Sorry to disagree but my labradoodle came from hip scored, eye tested parents and is as fit as a fiddle. How do you get that "because both breeds have hip problems" (which I dispute anyway as poodles are not particularly predisposed to hip problems) they are twice as likely to have problems? They only have 2 parents and if both are "predisposed" to problems(whatever the breed) the likelihood of problems can't be increased. I also didn't buy her because of a designer name, call her a mongrel, mutt whatever I've heard it all and not particularly bothered about the name, I wanted specific traits ie intelligence, temperament, size, coat type etc, and she is my perfect dog. She was also cheaper than my last standard poodle but price isn't an issue for the perfect family member which she is. |
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Post by chorro on May 22, 2012 22:28:22 GMT
We breed Labs and all ours are hip scored and eye tested before we even consider breeding from them, Designer dogs are mongrels but not proper mongrels, I know that sounds odd but what I mean is that designer dogs aren't always healthier as people assume, you risk amplifying any problems that the parents may have, where as genuine mongrels have bred out any issues over the generations, cross breeds are generally healthier but only after a few generations. |
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Post by chorro on May 22, 2012 22:33:28 GMT
And I do agree that prices seem outrageous but people can spend their money how ever they wish though I do find it disturbing that I can buy a horse/pony for less money |
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Post by 09rebel99 on May 23, 2012 6:11:01 GMT
Try again with the pic hope it works :-)
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Post by piaffe on May 23, 2012 6:37:52 GMT
I dont have a problem with cross breeding if thats what people want. Its the fact that alot of people are just breeding for extra cash with no thought for the future of these animals. I was told be one person at work that she was letting her Staff have a litter as they needed the money to pay for a holiday. I was so cross ! She wanted £350 for each puppie. Couldnt sell them and ended up giving them away after reducing them to £50 eachand still not selling them all ! Hopefully a lesson learnt ! I tend to go to the dogs home for my dogs. My latest edition is a beautiful pedigree Cavalier. Cheshire dogs home castrated him , first jab and micro chipped him. It cost me £100 ! Plus I'm giving the little chap a second chance ! We do need some regulation to stop this endless over breeding. It breaks my heart to walk round the packed dogs home seeing all them little faces. A result of someone wanting a holiday  ? |
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Post by sarahp on May 23, 2012 8:10:20 GMT
I know someone who got a lab x retrievor in the belief that it would be healthier than a pure bred - worst hips on record!
It's one thing to take on a rescue dog, when you take on the risk of health problems, but quite another to pay lots of money for a designer mongrel without the checks required in both parent breeds.
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Post by 09rebel99 on May 24, 2012 22:25:08 GMT
I went to both our local rescue centres and got told by both that 5 hours is to long for a dog to be left alone so we couldnt have one. Its very rare that she gets left for 5 hours. Normally only 2-3 at a time and I did tell them this. So either they look for people who dont work (majority either retired or jobless and on benifits) either way if on benifits have they got enough money for proper care ie vets bills and if they are retired would they really want a big american bulldog cross which seem to be overtaking our local centres!!
So I went to a breeder and doubt I will ever go to the animal shelters again. :-(
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Post by dazycutter on May 27, 2012 19:59:46 GMT
Interesting because as a breeder I would never sell a puppy to anyone who works full time, on benefits etc. I think possibly that centre may be a bit over the top as the odd 5 hour stint is ok.
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Post by sarahp on May 27, 2012 21:25:21 GMT
I've come across being refused a rescue dog if you have other, non neutered dogs at home, regardless of the circumstances. Nothing to do with the rescue one, which are normally either done or required to be done before adoption, fair enough.
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