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Post by julie t on Oct 18, 2008 8:30:33 GMT
Forget all the above, I am bloody mad to wake up today and help child (now an awkward 13 - just last Friday) to load pony into friends trailer to go to local show at 7 am this morning having not had a decent night sleep in weeks, tidied house ready to go to WORK to help pay for ponies, lessons, food and GIN, to find little madam had thrown all the clean washing ready to be ironed ON TO THE DIRTY FLOOR sop she could iron her show shirt!!!!!!!
Thought it was odd at the time she was ironing it as normally we go straight from the dryer!!!!!
Now that is what I call UNGRATEFUL!
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Post by Native Lover on Oct 25, 2008 19:15:56 GMT
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Post by pp on Nov 22, 2008 19:05:27 GMT
I have 2 girls who ride aged 7&8 and i try to drum into them the same as my parents did when i was younger.....Its all about having fun,staying safe,and improving your riding and pony care.....The rosettes and trophys are a bonus.....
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Post by rednose on Nov 22, 2008 20:49:14 GMT
There is a young girl on the m&m circut and i had to tell her as she came out the ring to stop hitting the pony. She had been placed and when i told het mom she just said well she can't hit it in the ring !!!!!!!!!
If my girls acted like that they would never sit on a pony again .
my girls have both been to hoys and they are so proud to get there they don't care if they don't get placed .We love our ponies and we love the sport . shame not every one is the same
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Post by parryshowteam on Nov 25, 2008 8:39:12 GMT
unfair on the children and do think the parents are to blame, I to have been there , but again we must encourage our children to be the best they can be, there is nothing wrong with a little gentle encouragement everybody wants to come out on top and if in the true sportsmanship of the competition then why not..
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Post by laura mundy on Dec 11, 2008 17:52:00 GMT
well im a child but all that matters is that the pony does its best in the ring,i have quite a few youngsters and i always want them to do there best !!!!!
I took my section B to uk showing qual in march it was my first show on him he was an idiot and showed me up but i wasnt bovered as it was all experiance.I took him to few more show and he was the same but i kept trying and working hard on him.I then tooki him to uk showing in July i thought it would be a disaster but her was brilliant he won all his classes over the 2 day period ( about 6 classes)took wh champion sun and ridden m&m champion sun and the members supream champion on the sat i was thrilled to bits but mstly i was happy tht all our (mine and my Bs,my nans and teacher) hard work had paided of and tried his best !!!!
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Post by welsha on Dec 12, 2008 18:41:23 GMT
Well done Laura Mundy!!!
What a great attitude. You deserve your good results!!!
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Post by morwenstowstud on Dec 15, 2008 1:52:39 GMT
My daughter 15yo is grateful if she doesn't stand last. Being placed is a bonus. We're amateur showing people. We don't have posh facilities at home. All the ponies she rides have been broken and schooled herself. She's pleased if they behave on the day. Yes she's come out of the ring rolling her eyes, she has said ' that was sooo embarrassing', but that was when our stallion took a fancy to a gelding and decided he was in love, but she was over the moon that he'd behaved as it was his first ever ridden class and they were not standing last in the line. She couldn't have wished for better.
Only once did she ever come out of the ring and say 'stupid pony'. I let rip and said 'no stupid you, you let the pony down, not the other way round, and if that's your attitude don't ride the 'stupid pony' ever again, after all you schooled the 'stupid pony'. Letting rip in front of everyone shamed her so much she learned her lesson.
That was many years ago though, and she's never come out with a sour face since. As for hitting the ponies, if she ever dared raise a whip to them, I'm afraid she'd be feeling what it was like across her backside.
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Post by drenrowstud on Dec 18, 2008 1:15:57 GMT
i dont take my kid showing hes in a wheel chair but when i have judged i have seen pushy parents , scared kids that dont want to be there , kids that quite frankly need an attitude transplant and parents that need to calm down and remeber showing is done mainly as a hobby and is not a life and death situation .
i have even had friends get quite upset when we have been badly placed they get all bolshy saying we should complain etc .
i say you take your pony for the judges opinion not to win a rossete if the judge has a hidden agenda theres nothing you can do about it but mark it down to experiance and move on . the more people verbaly atack judges the less judges there will be . i think all parents that slag of judges should be made to judge its not as easy as you think especially ridden classes , usually all the ponies you initially like either wrong leg it or dont do a good show .
its all a big compramise and all down to the opinion of the judge if you think its unfair go jumping instead that way if they stay up you win if they come down you loose .
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Post by Top Secret IV on Dec 18, 2008 9:41:28 GMT
I have alway taught Maddie to take it all back to the wagon, any issues, crying and being frustrated with the judge is kept in the wagon not for all to see!!
The class doesnt finish when you walk out the ring, it finishes when you are in the wagon on your way home!
Maddie knows to be polite, and alway congratulate the winner, with a smile and well done even if she is at the bottom of the line, and regardless of how the pony has behaved for whatever reason the pony gets a pat and a hug and put to bed happy and settled.
Even as young as 7/8 she has come out of a ring, not placed, and been elated with how the pony has gone for her.
Some one once said to us....
If you walk out upset with last keep trying, if you walk out upset with 2nd give up!
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Post by seventy8910 on Dec 18, 2008 19:17:11 GMT
Some one once said to us.... If you walk out upset with last keep trying, if you walk out upset with 2nd give up! Oh that is so true I have seen one or two adults who could learn from that ! |
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Post by commenting on Dec 30, 2008 21:52:09 GMT
As an aside to the showing part, I also agree that this conduct is not restricted to showing. I know of one very kind lady with several ponies, a child of her own and some personal health issues, but she allows many local kids to come and ride any of them even if her own child isn't bothering. She will end up tacking up, hand them over and then be hanging around for them to be returned and literally 'dumped' back in the stables. Even with parents there, none of them take time to brush pony down or untack and put the tack away properly, they just dash off or chat, it is left to this older lady to sort out after.   Now thats ungrateful! |
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Post by s.smith on Jan 5, 2009 13:28:53 GMT
To be honest, some kids need to learn that they cannot have everything in life. It is hard to get in the rosettes and just because Mummy and Daddy bought them a very ££££££ pony does not mean that they are going to win. Half of the time, the parents themselves do not know that much about horses so for them to question the judges just seems absurd. These children are the showing world of tomorrow and they need to learn that not everything is handed to them on a plate! And as for children who take it out on the horses, well to be honest I just find that SICKENING.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jan 5, 2009 13:54:48 GMT
I think sometimes the problem can be that the kids can and do have everything in life! I think as a parent you are responsible for teaching your offspring right from wrong, that they have to make the right choices in life and that there are consequences to making the wrong choices! If a child never learns the meaning of the word NO, and never has to face up to their wrongdoings, they are never going to turn out a responsible adult. I know we all look at our own children through rose coloured glasses, but sometimes giving them everything is not good for them in the long run. If they are lucky enough to have ponies and show them, they need to realise how lucky they are and not take things for granted. I hope I have taught my own children to appreciate the things they have and that sometimes things are all the sweeter if you have to wait and work for them.
Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now!
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Post by haylage on Jan 5, 2009 20:25:27 GMT
I have 4 chidren, one girl and three boys, all grown now, and believe me no matter what you do they become their own person in the end.
Out of the four, two are money orientated, selfish and only out for what they can get, giving nothing in return, one follows the pervious two because he does as they tell him, these three can take a running jump, they will never get anything else of me.......... now the fourth is well mannered, kind and a pleasure to know, they were all treated the same, but may be I should have said no every now and again.
I tried to give them what they wanted, helped them along the way, but I became the bank of mum!!
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Post by valentyneponies on Jan 8, 2009 17:04:30 GMT
MMMMMMmmmmm defintiatly think everyone whos a parent know how hard the scales are to balance out giving your child oppotunities but keeping you authority and respect and manners!!!
My daughters 4 and does have a pony on loan with view to buy. The mare isnt overally expensive but of good lines registered with WPCS and definatly a good lead rein M&M. Some people say its spoiling her getting her a pony as she wont understand the value of things but I disagree, I didnt have ponies of my own as a child and now have horses and ponies as well as my daughter getting the oppotunity.
She comes with me no matter what the weather and rides and does stable jobs alongside myself and my partner she has a star chart, if she brushs her pony , helps with the hose filling water bucket (all goes on floor as well as in bucket he he he ) shakes up new straw,rides, helps clean tack etc.... all the jobs!
she has so many stars then she gets to go to a show with the star she can enter her lead rein class as well as fun classes and get treats at the showground with her stars (she gives me a star from her pot that she brings and i get her what she wants on that day) if she misbehaves/doesnt listen etc stars are taken from her.
She generally enjoys the pony and the jobs as she benefits from doing them... so much so that in summer i had brought the ponies in for the evening she had disappeared (automatic panick as she is young turned around to see her in the field we had just poo picked with a poo pick scrapping up her ponys poo that it had done just before being brought in! Bless her! she will tell others to pick up there mess at a show ground and openly comments on other childrens behaviour showing she knows better which can be embarrassing as she says ' oooooooo that boy smacked his pony mummy the pony fairy will take it away as hes being naughty'
Shes far from perfect and does misbehave and sulk but I think that the star thing definatly works for the tinys! Its not nessarly winning a rossette but on sometimes running around when shes been told to stand still as dangerous ponies about (such as a big stallion getting loose on a showground!)
one time she did get upset in the ring but she wanted a pink rossette as shes 4 lol she had come 4th and 5th was pink but soon got over it and didnt display tears or tatrum just kept tilting her head to the girl next to her saying i like your pink one i dont like green ones lol as if to say swap ya.
Just think they all learn and sure i'll have days shes put in the lorry with the pony and home and bed before end of the day but thats kids =)
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Post by dun4u on Jan 8, 2009 17:18:16 GMT
What a lovely attitude to have, valentyneponies. No, I don't think it's spoiling your daughter by letting her have a pony. Like you say, she has to help with all the jobs and deservedly earns her stars. At least she's out in the fresh air, learning to respect her pony and also learning the value of her stars. One day she'll be asking to exchange them for some cash!!! Good luck at the shows this year.  |
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Post by valentyneponies on Jan 8, 2009 23:33:34 GMT
What a lovely attitude to have, valentyneponies. No, I don't think it's spoiling your daughter by letting her have a pony. Like you say, she has to help with all the jobs and deservedly earns her stars. At least she's out in the fresh air, learning to respect her pony and also learning the value of her stars. One day she'll be asking to exchange them for some cash!!! Good luck at the shows this year. Thanks Iluvduns glad someone else sees my views on having a pony at a young age, i feel she learns and is edicated about responsibilty and caring for something where as others see it as an expensive pet that wont be appreciated. I hope she goes onto just enjoy her pony when shes older instead of stars as we all know showings not cheap especially if she wants to chase the hoys/rihs/olypia qualifiers! even Puk/equifest/rls not cheap.... but we all have pleasure from joining in... she will most proberly want money for the tophats, photos and jeffries tack next... replacing the stars! lol but until then I will enjoy the stars traded in for chocolate buttons and a pink scrunchie! good luck to every one showing 2009.... we are very excited to see what the future showing holds and hoping the credit crunch doesnt impact entries x |
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Post by morwenstowstud on Jan 9, 2009 4:28:43 GMT
I bought my childrens first pony when my oldest was 2 and my youngest (who is now my middle daughter was 8 months. Sadly we had to sell her when we had to move to a town. It was another 9 years before I got another one as livery yards where we lived were like hens teeth, though we did have one on loan for a short time. The only one that turned out to be horsey is my middle daughter. She's 15 now and been riding properly 5 years. We have 9 ponies and one horse now. I kid myself they're for me, but really they're for her. My pleasure comes from watching her with them. Some people think I'm a bit mad giving her 10 equines. We've just bought her a beautifully bred unbroken 16hh rising 4yo to train for showjumping. Some people think she's spolit having all she has, but then they don't see how hard she's worked over the last 5 years. She's worked d**ned hard at her riding, she's learnt how to do groundwork and breaking/schooling, she mucks out every day with no moaning (except about the weather), she turns down days out with mates to be with her herd. In the holidays she will go to the yard in the morning and I won't see her again until the evening. She always puts her animals first and will come in dripping wet having spent time in the rain making sure they're all done. Why shouldn't she have the best I can give her? She's earned it. Yes she can be a bad temmpered brat at times, but that's a mother/daughter thing, nothing to do with being spoilt. Yes she gets whatever I can afford to give her. I'd hate to think what this new horse has cost me so far. However she definitely knows the value of money, does appreciate everything she has, and never takes it for granted. Childrens attitudes to their ponies comes from the parents. If children aren't taught appreciation, how on earth can they be expected to show it?
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Post by valentyneponies on Jan 9, 2009 9:34:36 GMT
'morwenstowstud' definatly agree with your post its how we bring them up, my daughters first pony was a falabella which we still have as he is so safe and sensiable we go back to him for her confidence and education as she is physically able to rug him and groom him due to him being at her level.
I never had a pony when I was younger and saw all the children that didnt appreciate theres so think I'm even more strict about the care of her ponies as I know what its like not to have one and certainly never got anything that was easy to ride as never got my lessons paid for as a teenager I had to ride for people to earn money for lessons, my first pony was a sec A at 16 I saved up to buy which I broke in and sold on a profit to afford a pony that was big enough for me to compete, now Ive got foals, youngsters, stallions and mares. I think though even if I had of had all those ponies as a child due to the strict upbringing I would of appreciated it just as much!
Definatly agree if you can afford to help them why not as there only young once
my daughter also brings her friends to the yard and shares the riding sometimes from school and will happly tell her friends to put there hat on and they must help her to do jobs thats all coming from her mouth not mine.
she invites them over and then asks me when can they come. so at least she isnt boosting i have a pony she finds it very normal and thinks everyones got one then when she asks them where there pony is she will say arrww never mind you can ride my pony... so relises shes lucky but happy to share
so behind that i think shes sharing, caring and earning her pony as well as being a tough littlen as so many littlens you see now moaning because they have to walk in towns there cold etc well we could be out all day in snow rain sun and shes happy cant see why they shouldnt have them when shes so naturally good around them.
...and never say never she might not have them when shes older might loose intrest and go onto football dancing good knows but isnt that the joy of them being young you know they cant think outside the box so theres no where else she would rather be and we can bond together sure she will have days where she hates doing the ponies but will support her in everything she does thats sain and sensiable.
At least this way there future is set up that they have a hobbie rather then want to drink on street corners/smoke or do drugs?>
morwenstow stud' - also definatly agree on teenage basis brat at times is nothing to do with ponies definatly the hormones! lol
nice to see a mum and daughter enjoy the horsey world.... x
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Post by valentyneponies on Jan 9, 2009 23:17:45 GMT
, valentyneponies. No, I don't think it's spoiling your daughter by letting her have a pony. i dont think she is spoilt either, at the age of 4 you are not letting her have a pony, you have bought her a pony because you like them. taking her to shows as a treat if she gets enough stars, is that really a treat for a 4 year old?, shows are a very long tiring day for adults let alone small children. She wants to go to the shows as wants to be like mum, she does one lead rein class and other classes are fancy dress, pony with prettiest eyes , her stars are for the treats at the shows as well as classes and she has made friends same ages at shows so now wants to go its only light hearted so stars are there for earnt rewards, loves the pink tack and ties and see's as a bit like a day out so as she goes on about shows made it so its earnt so when shes older and can read schedules she will know that its a treat not every weekend as cant take her and pony out every week would be mad ;D |
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Post by Ziggy on Jan 20, 2009 0:08:02 GMT
So much has already been said on this thread so I'm not really adding to it. We are just about to set out on this showing lark, not sure if we are doing the right thing! . bit scared really don't want to turn my delightfull four year old into a spoilt brat. Only hope i can instill in my daughter love for her pony and the desire to have fun whatever the colour of the rosette. I never won a great deal as a child but i enjoyed every second!
When I was younger there was a little girl who used to ride for top producers (who are still showing now!) called Georgia Bale. She was the ultimate in politeness to all, other competitors, judges well everybody really. Always had her beautifull smile. Well i thought so anyway.
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Post by morwenstowstud on Jan 20, 2009 15:15:02 GMT
Good luck in the showing world. It can either be a pleasure of a nightmare. As long as you remember to keep the fun in it, and put that and your pony's welfare above a ribbon, you'll be fine.
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Post by ilovemypony on Jan 20, 2009 18:10:07 GMT
here here, I think you have to be a good loser to be a good winner. At the end of the day showing is all about opinion and when you enter a class you must accept that not everyone shares your opinion! I think its great to be competitive and there is absolutley no reason to go in the ring without the thirst for a red one, but hey at the end of the day it is a ribbon!
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Post by morwenstowstud on Jan 20, 2009 21:19:16 GMT
Exactly. It's just a ribbon. It's not worth getting upset over or upsetting other people.
We went to one show a couple of years back where the judge, bless her, put us last and apologised for it. She said ours was a lovely pony, but he didn't move forward as freely as she would have liked. This didn't surprise me, it was his first show and it was indoors. Poor judge kept apologising. I said honestly, it doesn't matter, someone has to be last. Poor woman still kept apologising.
It did make me wonder how many times someone had a go at her, because she obviously felt the need to apologise profusely, but I can honestly say it didn't matter to me.
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Post by ilovemypony on Jan 22, 2009 13:00:40 GMT
I was really proud of my daughter at the weekend, her pony is very sensitive and during her show piece the light shone through and a big strip appeared on the floor, the pony spooked and spun around (very unusal) and was bascially just scared, she trotted a fig of 8 and went back into line, having decided not to canter. She had a fairly good pull and knew that because of how he had gone she would be last. I was proud because when she got back into the line up, all she did was pat him and reassure him. She would have loved to have won or even been placed but on that day it just wasnt meant to be and she totally accepts that. She wouldnt dream of thrashing him because he ruined her chances, she understood instead that to get to the top is about team work. I wouldnt have her any other way either!!
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