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Post by teamhorsley on May 23, 2012 20:38:59 GMT
hi does anybody have any good tips for this problem ?
i have had this 5 year old D problem horse to fix ,at first you could not walk one step without him frantically rearing right up ( he has had teeth back saddle checked all good !) but with months of patients and shouting at him and then praise when good he is now out the habit in the school and Field and even came 3rd at his first show at the weekend hes very happy and willing now BUT hacking ..... he is very good we go up a country lanes and he is fine until there are a Field with other horses and there are quite a few down this road were he goes back to his old state and will plant himself refuse to move and rear badly iam a confident rider and his rears dont scere me because he doesn't ever louse his balance but they are big and frantic and can go on for a while i have tried alot of things hacking even with other horses to go first he just goes into some kind of fit i now get of him walk him past them a few times then get back and go back and forth past them and he is fine but he has stopped this now and just Carry's on when i get back on him oh and i dont carry a crop because he goes twice as bad and at his worse can rear for hours! he never rears any were else but hacking now so the problem is not yet solved ! any ideas or tips on this would be great Thanks !! ;D oh and sorry for the spelling ....
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Post by flo1 on May 23, 2012 20:54:25 GMT
Sounds like a confidence issue to me.......does he only do this when you hack out alone or is he the same when in the company of others?
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Post by teamhorsley on May 23, 2012 21:05:26 GMT
yes i think soo but he is just the same hacking with others if not worse ?
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Post by gooogle on May 23, 2012 22:01:34 GMT
Had one of these to deal with in my mothers yard about 25 yrs ago. This one used to rear and just stay there! We tried all sorts. Threading metal washers onto string and tying it in a ring ( I had several bunches ) and hurling it on to the floor provided an excellent distraction technique. Have someone walk at a safe distance behind you and the minute they see those hind quarter muscles bunch throw them on the floor behind the pony. the second the rider hears them hit ( or in a perfect world feels pony tense ) put leg on for forward. huge verbal praise if pony goes forward. Try to outwit him at flash point and prevent the behaviour happening. A powerful water pistol is also effective instead of washers. Or a crack of a lunge whip. Find what works for your particular pony. I recommend finding a quiet companion for this to go with you. If they hear clattering get them to slow down but slowly keep going until you catch up! dummy spurs with a truely competant rider only used at the time of bad behaviour an excellent shocker too. I bent a pair outwards so that they were almost impossible to apply under normal leg aids and had to turn legs right out to use. My mother was awesome on the ground, never met anyone with better timing or intuition to read situation and react accordingly. Can't use her now, she's in her seventies (still rides everyday and bought herself a new pony last year! Go mum) but we both know shes not as quick and far to fragile and valuable to break  Wish I was close enough to come and help you. pm if you want any other ideas. Remember timing is everything and you must reward every tiny bit of progress instantly. Good Luck |
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Post by lisadundee on May 23, 2012 22:10:24 GMT
I had this problem with my stallion, first thing I did was get a bit specialist and changed his bit and put him in a standing martingale so he couldn't get the height he was was getting to when rearing, eventually after a few month of the standing martingale he learned he couldn't really rear right up and stopped doing it and I took the martingale off and he was fine.
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Post by horseylady on May 23, 2012 22:32:51 GMT
I suggest you put a pair of home made blinkers on your bridle, so he cant see above him, adapt them so they cover the top of his eye lids. he wont rear if he cant see above him. Worked a treat with alot of the rearers i have had. Pm me for instructions xx
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Post by Kaseyleigh on May 24, 2012 14:32:31 GMT
Try long reining its better to be on the ground then aboard when hes rearing please dont use blinkers this only mask's the problem he has confidence issues and need to learn nothings going to eat him out alone i know this sounds harsh but when he rears you need to give him a big shock to his system so he thinks everytime he rears he going to get a big shock then whilst riding i would get a standing martingale as stated about or a market harbourgh so he carnt get his head up to rear my irish sports horse mare was like this napping and rearing rode her in a market harbourgh and she realised she couldnt get her head high enough to rear.
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Post by lisadundee on May 24, 2012 15:22:21 GMT
Try long reining its better to be on the ground then aboard when hes rearing please dont use blinkers this only mask's the problem he has confidence issues and need to learn nothings going to eat him out alone i know this sounds harsh but when he rears you need to give him a big shock to his system so he thinks everytime he rears he going to get a big shock then whilst riding i would get a standing martingale as stated about or a market harbourgh so he carnt get his head up to rear my irish sports horse mare was like this napping and rearing rode her in a market harbourgh and she realised she couldnt get her head high enough to rear. I agree with this and we long reined in our standing martingale just until he got the feel of it as it changes their balance too! |
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Post by horseylady on May 24, 2012 15:36:14 GMT
Try long reining its better to be on the ground then aboard when hes rearing please dont use blinkers this only mask's the problem he has confidence issues and need to learn nothings going to eat him out alone i know this sounds harsh but when he rears you need to give him a big shock to his system so he thinks everytime he rears he going to get a big shock then whilst riding i would get a standing martingale as stated about or a market harbourgh so he carnt get his head up to rear my irish sports horse mare was like this napping and rearing rode her in a market harbourgh and she realised she couldnt get her head high enough to rear. Think your contradicting yourself here, why put a martingale on or any other gadget, this is only masking the problem also, the blinkers are also to stop him rearing!! think about what you are saying first. He will not go up if he cant see up!, He may still try and rear and possible hurt himself and the handler in the process by doing so, if you use a martingale. And probably start bucking and bronking instead through being RESTRAINED... I dont know about you but its no fun being on a rearer then having to also think about giving him a 'shock' whilst clinging on for dear life AND also running the risk of the horse shooting forwards/sideways etc in fright!! pfft dont think so thanks  Use the little blinkers i have pm'd about, ride forward in a positive manner, in the school then progress once he is more confident or you feel able to trust him. Providing of course he isn't in any pain etc, which op has stated he is not. Brilliant idea about long reining him, but I fear he may be ok on the long lines... Also got to consider how he was backed, op will probably have to go right back to basics xx Tin hat now firmly placed on head  |
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Post by brookviewequine on May 24, 2012 16:08:37 GMT
learn to disengage the hind quarters and flex laterally. Horses cannot buck, bronk or rear when laterally flexed.
if that all sounds like a foreign language to you then get some instruction.
back to ground work!
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Post by lisadundee on May 24, 2012 16:16:14 GMT
Try long reining its better to be on the ground then aboard when hes rearing please dont use blinkers this only mask's the problem he has confidence issues and need to learn nothings going to eat him out alone i know this sounds harsh but when he rears you need to give him a big shock to his system so he thinks everytime he rears he going to get a big shock then whilst riding i would get a standing martingale as stated about or a market harbourgh so he carnt get his head up to rear my irish sports horse mare was like this napping and rearing rode her in a market harbourgh and she realised she couldnt get her head high enough to rear. Think your contradicting yourself here, why put a martingale on or any other gadget, this is only masking the problem also, the blinkers are also to stop him rearing!! think about what you are saying first. He will not go up if he cant see up!, He may still try and rear and possible hurt himself and the handler in the process by doing so, if you use a martingale. And probably start bucking and bronking instead through being RESTRAINED... I dont know about you but its no fun being on a rearer then having to also think about giving him a 'shock' whilst clinging on for dear life AND also running the risk of the horse shooting forwards/sideways etc in fright!! pfft dont think so thanks Use the little blinkers i have pm'd about, ride forward in a positive manner, in the school then progress once he is more confident or you feel able to trust him. Providing of course he isn't in any pain etc, which op has stated he is not. Brilliant idea about long reining him, but I fear he may be ok on the long lines... Also got to consider how he was backed, op will probably have to go right back to basics xx Tin hat now firmly placed on head the standing martingale will only come in to play when the horse rears which is when he needs to be restricted whereas the blinkers are there whether he is being good or naughty! My best friend breaks horses for driving and many of his rear with blinkers on when being long reined so I don't agree that horses won't rear if they are blinkered, if I had of put blinkers on my stallion which is basically taking away one of his senses (his sight) he would have absolutely freaked being able to hear noises and feel me but not see and he would have gone in to flight mode! I agree it's hard and dangerous giving a rearer a shock when rearing but rearers are dangerous and it needs a good rider to deal with the problem as its happening but that is what it will take! At least if the horse can't get right up then he will be more manageable to give a crack on the arse and ride him through it! How can you teach a horse rearing is naughty when your clinging on for dear life! And my stallion reared worse when being long reined than when been ridden but I suppose that's because he felt he could take advantage more and possibly get away but fortunately he was mouthed correctly and had breaks IN THE RIGHT BIT! |
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Post by lisadundee on May 24, 2012 16:23:02 GMT
learn to disengage the hind quarters and flex laterally. Horses cannot buck, bronk or rear when laterally flexed. if that all sounds like a foreign language to you then get some instruction. back to ground work! I understand what you mean about this I sent my stallion to Guy Robertson 'natural horsemanship' for a couple of weeks and he was an angel in the school ( he didn't hack him out) but when he came back, I hacked him out the day after and he was fab, nice and soft, flexing nicely and then like lightening put me straight through a wall head first, so while I can see your point with this method especially in the school it's not always effective for super sharp horses that give you a false sense of security! I blame myself for the accident because he was so relaxed and soft, I relaxed (too much) and therefore wasn't ready for it! |
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Post by horseylady on May 24, 2012 16:27:23 GMT
Think your contradicting yourself here, why put a martingale on or any other gadget, this is only masking the problem also, the blinkers are also to stop him rearing!! think about what you are saying first. He will not go up if he cant see up!, He may still try and rear and possible hurt himself and the handler in the process by doing so, if you use a martingale. And probably start bucking and bronking instead through being RESTRAINED... I dont know about you but its no fun being on a rearer then having to also think about giving him a 'shock' whilst clinging on for dear life AND also running the risk of the horse shooting forwards/sideways etc in fright!! pfft dont think so thanks Use the little blinkers i have pm'd about, ride forward in a positive manner, in the school then progress once he is more confident or you feel able to trust him. Providing of course he isn't in any pain etc, which op has stated he is not. Brilliant idea about long reining him, but I fear he may be ok on the long lines... Also got to consider how he was backed, op will probably have to go right back to basics xx Tin hat now firmly placed on head the standing martingale will only come in to play when the horse rears which is when he needs to be restricted whereas the blinkers are there whether he is being good or naughty! My best friend breaks horses for driving and many of his rear with blinkers on when being long reined so I don't agree that horses won't rear if they are blinkered, if I had of put blinkers on my stallion which is basically taking away one of his senses (his sight) he would have absolutely freaked being able to hear noises and feel me but not see and he would have gone in to flight mode! I agree it's hard and dangerous giving a rearer a shock when rearing but rearers are dangerous and it needs a good rider to deal with the problem as its happening but that is what it will take! At least if the horse can't get right up then he will be more manageable to give a crack on the arse and ride him through it! How can you teach a horse rearing is naughty when your clinging on for dear life! And my stallion reared worse when being long reined than when been ridden but I suppose that's because he felt he could take advantage more and possibly get away but fortunately he was mouthed correctly and had breaks IN THE RIGHT BIT! Yes I also see where you are coming from and its good that everyone throws there ideas and experiences together.. these blinkers by the way ONLY stop the horse from seeing above NOT from the side...They are just little shields above the eye lids. I personally think the OP should go back to basics and do more ground work. xx |
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Post by lisadundee on May 24, 2012 16:34:06 GMT
the standing martingale will only come in to play when the horse rears which is when he needs to be restricted whereas the blinkers are there whether he is being good or naughty! My best friend breaks horses for driving and many of his rear with blinkers on when being long reined so I don't agree that horses won't rear if they are blinkered, if I had of put blinkers on my stallion which is basically taking away one of his senses (his sight) he would have absolutely freaked being able to hear noises and feel me but not see and he would have gone in to flight mode! I agree it's hard and dangerous giving a rearer a shock when rearing but rearers are dangerous and it needs a good rider to deal with the problem as its happening but that is what it will take! At least if the horse can't get right up then he will be more manageable to give a crack on the arse and ride him through it! How can you teach a horse rearing is naughty when your clinging on for dear life! And my stallion reared worse when being long reined than when been ridden but I suppose that's because he felt he could take advantage more and possibly get away but fortunately he was mouthed correctly and had breaks IN THE RIGHT BIT! Yes I also see where you are coming from and its good that everyone throws there ideas and experiences together.. these blinkers by the way ONLY stop the horse from seeing above NOT from the side...They are just little shields above the eye lids. I personally think the OP should go back to basics and do more ground work. xx everyone has their own ways what work for them and it all boils down to the individual horse and what works for that particular horse, OP has had some ideas to think about and work in a process of elimination, glad its not me going through it all again, when I was younger I used to look for horses with issues like this because I loved seeing progress and feeling achievement but there comes a point (must be after having kids) that you just can't be bothered anymore and having an easy ride becomes a relief instead of a bore lol x |
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Post by Kaseyleigh on May 24, 2012 17:18:36 GMT
I meant a crack by a shock haha didnt want to sound cruel though because most people frown upon it but at the end of the day that animal can hurt you twice as much as you can hurt them. i have dealt with many complicated horses and everyone has come right so i carnt be doing badly hey??
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Post by teamhorsley on May 26, 2012 20:08:59 GMT
Hey guys ! well heres an update , gaz is always very good now in a feild school show and is very good hacking long lined ( really didnt do a thing ? am not nerves hacking or on him and i always make sure i have a relaxed rein contact ) but as you all know hes good on hacks untill there could be a horse in a feild away from him and because of his strong heard insticnt he does his nasty rearing fit after about ten minutes of me shouting at him and legs like a vice on him he trouts foward and he gets alot of praize so things are looking up there BUT he went to a show and he wentt in the warm up Foot perfect in the go around Foot perect show foot perfect oh wait except for ... as we were comeing across to pick up canter in the courner this was away from the line up of horses... he stoped dead and did smaller rears and would not move after a few boots he got going and finished his show , i just think he has a very bad nap to other horses and somewere along the lines he hasnt wanted to go away from them threathend to rear and someones jumped of ! going to try the martingle and if that doesnt work iv heard monty roberts uses them blinkers so time will tell and i just hope he stops this nap ! thanks everyone for the help  xx |
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Post by lisadundee on May 26, 2012 20:30:24 GMT
Hey guys ! well heres an update , gaz is always very good now in a feild school show and is very good hacking long lined ( really didnt do a thing ? am not nerves hacking or on him and i always make sure i have a relaxed rein contact ) but as you all know hes good on hacks untill there could be a horse in a feild away from him and because of his strong heard insticnt he does his nasty rearing fit after about ten minutes of me shouting at him and legs like a vice on him he trouts foward and he gets alot of praize so things are looking up there BUT he went to a show and he wentt in the warm up Foot perfect in the go around Foot perect show foot perfect oh wait except for ... as we were comeing across to pick up canter in the courner this was away from the line up of horses... he stoped dead and did smaller rears and would not move after a few boots he got going and finished his show , i just think he has a very bad nap to other horses and somewere along the lines he hasnt wanted to go away from them threathend to rear and someones jumped of ! going to try the martingle and if that doesnt work iv heard monty roberts uses them blinkers so time will tell and i just hope he stops this nap ! thanks everyone for the help xx let me know how you get on x |
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Post by nagrags on May 27, 2012 18:43:14 GMT
I am also reading this thread with interest  x |
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Post by fruity on Jun 1, 2012 10:25:16 GMT
Me too, and I found gooogle's post very interesting
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