UPDATE & PICS My dog had her pups

[lisadundee]

I've managed to keep my two lhasa apso's from mating as the bit*h is only one year old, however the night before he was booked in for castration he managed to tie with her and she is now in pup and due on the 10th June! If this was a mare and foal id know what I was doing but I don't have a clue with dogs, so Any advice would be appreciated thanks

[idalia]

I'm not preaching, but if you really didn't want puppies you should have taken her to the vets as soon as you knew they'd mated.
If there's no one near you who has experience with whelping I would suggest you get yourself a good book on the subject, The Book of The B*tch by Evans and White is a good one, it's not expensive I've seen it for about £4 on some well known sites.
I'd prepare somewhere quiet, warm and safe for her to have the puppies preferably in a whelping box, you may even need a heat lamp if it's chilly, try to get her used to going in there before she's due.
Make sure mum is getting good quality food and be prepared that she will need extra food once she is feeding the pups.
Good luck and don't forget to post some photos

[Sam]

good luck, i enjoy it when pups come, make sure she not on a fabric settee as was in work one day and my oh was at home and let her have first pup on the cream sofa!!! keep a towel handy and dont be afraid to pull if she struggling. if she unsure give the pup a good rub down and put on the teat, it will all be a bit strange for her as it is her first litter, worm every 2 weeks and dew claw them 2-3 days after birth. Good luck and enjoy

[lisadundee]

I never said I didn't want them, of course I would have preferred not to have them but I would not have aborted them I'm quite excited, I just don't know what I'm doing, I've heard one puppy can get get stuck inside, do they usually all come out one after another and how will I know if one is stuck inside still? Thanks

[idalia]

If she's straining for a long time and nothing is happening or if the pup keeps appearing then goes back it could mean it's stuck, she'll most likely be fine, Lhasa Apsos don't have particularly large heads or shoulders which can cause problems.
Be aware that she may snap at the first puppy as it's born, partly because of the pain and partly because she may not realise what's happening, I've known several maiden b*tches do this, in fact a Lab that I whelped for a friend snapped at every one, all 11 of them! she was downright vicious until she'd finished giving birth, after that she turned into the perfect mum.
As I said in the absence of an experienced friend I recommend a good book.

[lisadundee]

Will deffo get the book thanks, how many pups is she likely to have? X

[idalia]

I would say 4-6 pups is about average for a Lhasa Apso.
I had one years ago who came from a litter of 4 and several friends had litters of 4 or 5, it's a nice amount I think, not too many

[dazycutter]

firstly get that book of the bit*h ASAP.

Start feeding your girl a higher protein diet
I would advise to get her scanned at 5 weeks to see whats going on and get a rough idea of how many pups your having
Get in a baby bottle and some welpi
get some iodine to dab the cords in (you may need to help the bit*h break these, dont cut them with scissors, but gently tear them)
Speak to your vets and make sure they are aware of her due date and that someone is on standby. You could also ask them if they know of any breeder locally who you could turn to if she gets into difficulties.
Get a whelping box, vet beds and plenty of newspaper.
A room thermometer is also handy to keep the puppies at optimum temperature.
Most dogs will whelp easily by themselves, but a first time mum and such a young one can run into difficulties, so you should be aware of these and know how to deal with them. A lot of fist time mums dont break teh sack off, so be prepared to do this as well.... good luck

[wilbs]

Get a carboard whelping box - most useful and by the time pups are ready for home it will have been utilised to the full. Bought one for my lab as did not intend her to have another litter.
www.whelping-boxes.co.uk/boxes.htm
Best investment I made.

[lisadundee]

Well Tilley had her puppies last night, I cant believe I have foaled so many horses and totally fell to pieces with the dog! She started losing green discharge and then an empty sack came out full of green fluid and then one live puppy, then one dead puppy and the outcome was three live puppies all live and well and mum is fine, it was a little bit*h that was dead. I was on the phone to vet more or less all night, the first puppy wouldnt feed so I sent hubby out at 3.30am to the vets to buy whelpie and bottle but by the time he had got back he was feeding (oops) lol! I have to say much much harder than foals and i was stressing as it was hours between pups.

[thecremellosociety]

well done looks like you did a good job x

[twiglet1]

Awww so cute ! X

[viking]

I like the brown one with the eel stripe.

[lisadundee]

Tilley is having really bad dioreah all over every morning and every night! What can I do to stop this? I'm feeding her raw chicken wings at the minute as she's so thin and has always been thin and her chappie dried food is left down all the time for her but she doesn't eat a lot of that. She has a chicken wing Mid morning and one at tea time??

[kayjayem]

She needs a high quality puppy food. Something like Hills Vet Essentials puppy or Eukanuba. Chappie is just a maintenance diet and I can't see that chicken wings will have a very high food value as surely they are basically skin and bone and probably quite fatty??? They could be irritating her bowel and doing more harm than good. I really think you need to speak to your vet about nutrition as she needs a high quality diet, especially if she is thin to start with and don't forget she will need worming as will the puppies.

[gemstone]

I certainly would never feed raw chicken. Boiled rice and cooked chicken. Also, get some pro biotics from your vet. She will need alot of food onece her tummy has settled.

[lisadundee]

Ok thanks, she won't eat boiled rice, someone I know who breeds Chinese cresteds had mentioned the raw chicken wings to get weight on her, she was wormed about 3 week ago, when should I worm the puppies?

[horseylady]

I love your new babies, I enjoyed having babies from my little dog x
How is your little foal doing as well?? xxx

[idalia]

Sorry only just seen your most recent post.
How is Tilley now?
There is nothing wrong with feeding raw chicken including bones to dogs. I part raw feed mine, however a friend of mine who is really into it says that you should always freeze meat if it isn't already frozen to kill any bacteria.
I would say that chicken wings alone aren't really sufficient for a lactating female, I would vary the meat you are giving her if you intend to give her raw. PAH stock Natures Menu which is frozen meat with a little veg added, it comes in several different meat varieties and is frozen in small cubes, so it's easy to get out the exact amount you need and it defrosts quickly, it doesn't smell unpleasant either which is a bonus. You can also get freeflow tripe and beef. I bought a lamb stew pack from my local supermarket a couple of days ago which had several meaty bones in it for a less than £2 and a breast of lamb (which is good for putting on weight) which I cut into 4 or five chunks which was just over £2.
From what you've said I don't think you are actually feeding her enough, the food requirements of lactating bit*ches is much, much more than you would feed her normally, I'm sure I've read somewhere it's roughly four times as much.
If she still has diarrhea it's may be because she is clearing up behind her pups (if you know what I mean), perhaps some live yoghurt would help her tum, or I use Protexin Pro-Kolin on one of mine who has sporadic bouts of diarrhea, I'm not 100% sure if it's alright whilst she's feeding pups, I would have thought so as it's probiotic and you can feed it long term if necessary, but it would be easy enough to find out. Pro-Kolin comes as powder in sachets or as a paste, it obviously doesn't taste too bad as mine is very suspicious of anything strange in his dinner.
Please let us know how she's doing and post some more pics of the pups

[nia2311]

I was told never to feed chicken bones as they are too small and splinter too easily and can cause a blockage in the mouth/throat. They can also cause lacerations in the mouth/palate leading to infection. This has been repeated by every vet I have ever met. They recommend only large bones, e.g. lamb leg, should be given.

[idalia]

'Bones must be raw
Raw meaty bones such as raw lamb ribs (not lamb chops though), raw lamb flaps and raw chicken wings provide several important health benefits including keeping teeth and gums healthy'

The quote above was copied from the website of the Australian RSPCA, this was because it was the most concise quote on the subject I could find, if you google it you will find plenty of lengthy information on raw feeding.
I believe your vet/vets must be talking about cooked chicken bones which should never be given to dogs or cats. Let's not forget too that it's in your vets interest for you to buy highly expensive prescription diet from them.
I'm old enough to remember that dogs have only been fed on commercially prepared dog food in fairly recent times, before that they were fed on scraps, leftovers and raw meat and bones, remember white dog poo, that is caused by excessive feeding of bones.

[Sam]

Worm every two weeks with Drontal or panacur. Give her some rice pudding for extra calories and she will love it, helps to put on weight quickly I can vouch for that lol. Good luck they look like cracking pups