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Post by mcw on Jun 6, 2012 14:12:00 GMT
A question for anybody with more 'welshie' experience than me. I have a novice Sec C and we've been competing in NPS Picton novice classes. We've been placed 3rd twice and 2nd once. I don't think it is his conformation, manners or temperamunt is where we're going wrong. He's clean limmed, has plenty of bone and is a propper old fashioned welsh C. ;D I think it's his 'look at me' attitude that is letting us down - he doesn't seem to have any! Most of the other ponies we've competed against have either been going (or trying their hardest) at a full pelt "power, power, power" trot or a "nice power" trot. But I've just been going at a normal pace, because he's a novice? And I'd rather him do a "normal" trot and not be puffing away like some of the other ponies in his class, because tbh, it looks bl**dy aweful and they sound like they have breathing problems after a lap! So, should I carry on at a normal pace, his striding isn't that big and doesn't cover much ground - but at least he doesn't sound like he smokes 40 ciggarettes a day?!  Or push him on to do a 'nice power,' trot (what I'd class as a medium stride). He's a bit on and off with this and isn't as consistent and brakes into canter. Either way we'd loose marks.  What trot would you prefer to see a welshie doing? I've been told to do all three 'versions' but I don't want him to look like a dope on a rope or an unfit fat lump! No problems with his canter.  |
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Post by showingfanatic on Jun 6, 2012 15:22:53 GMT
Push him forward a little more, not so much that he breaks into canter but just so he has plenty of impulsion and looks like he's going somewhere. Practice lots at home and he'll soon get the hang of it. I had a 4yo C last year, she wasnt very flashy and i kept her going quietly first few times in the ring, but by her last show she was powering round the ring and fit enough to do it without puffing, it looked much better and saw her bumped up the line. |
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Post by lillicob on Jun 6, 2012 16:46:42 GMT
Its impulsion that you need, not going faster, which will come with time and schooling. Also having him fitter will help. Agree about the full pelt trot looking awful.
I did a few novice classes, and can understand where you are coming from.
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 6, 2012 20:24:21 GMT
I prefer to see a welsh is a consistent rhythm correct for them, basically the same as any other horse or pony. Push them out of their rhythm is the very last thing you want unless the only thing the pony is going to do in his life is enter welsh classes where they thunder round on their forehand, leaning and looking dreadful.
For me, the 'look at me' is a partnership with the horse beautifully schooled and in self carriage. So many people confuse prescence with hysteria.
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Post by LMSmith on Jun 6, 2012 20:34:43 GMT
My welsh C is very lazy and I know what you mean about the rest of the ring going round like headless chickens! I do very well at dressage as his trot is in rhythm and consistant however in the ring it looks a little "slow".
It all depends what you are happy with, if you are happy for your pony to go round "faster" then go for it but I am happier schooling mine to engage his back end and move more forward rather than just "pushing him on".
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 6, 2012 20:46:22 GMT
Coincidentally, there are a lot of Welsh Cs doing extremely well at the moment affiliated dressage. No doubt they didn't Thunder as babies.
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Post by LMSmith on Jun 6, 2012 20:49:39 GMT
Coincidentally, there are a lot of Welsh Cs doing extremely well at the moment affiliated dressage. No doubt they didn't Thunder as babies. My instructor is a dressage rider so we don't really focus on showing, but anything that can do well at dressage should be able to do showing with its eyes closed lol! |
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Post by georgie0 on Jun 6, 2012 20:53:25 GMT
It will come with correct schooling. Novice classes should be for novice horses, alot of the thundering power trots are Gawd awful and unbalanced. Ditto the dressage thoughts, also make sure he does lots of fun things in company to keep him forward thinking. A good judge will spot a true correct novice pony and see past the overbent, rushed ones! Just not worth it for a rosette IMHO. would rather wait a couple of years and have a consistant well schooled pony!
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Post by georgie0 on Jun 6, 2012 20:54:59 GMT
So many people confuse prescence with hysteria. LOL at this! ;D |
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Post by whp94 on Jun 6, 2012 21:18:18 GMT
I would push him on a little more, so he strides out and shows himself off a little more. My pet hate is seeing C's with there legs going a million miles an hour but there not really going anywhere!! I do dressage with my 5yo D who does well (won the NPS junior dressage finals!!) because she has a consistent rhythm, when I show her (she does workers) I do the same trot as I would do in the dressage arena, we got 10/10 for our show last weekend so we must be doing something right!!
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Post by sophiea on Jun 8, 2012 17:26:14 GMT
My c hasnt evr been taught to thunder round and although she's a shp now was shown as a c in the past, coincedentaly she cand produce a very nice elementary dressage test aswell |
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Post by lulah on Jun 9, 2012 23:07:10 GMT
i would get him to stride out more, but you need to practice lots at home to make sure its got rhythm and balanced .
my sec D does a powerful trot going , and go for a real power power power trot across the diagonal. but he does naturally cover alot of ground, and has been well schooled at home .
do whatever your comfortable with, you will deffo loose marks if you loose rythm or balance. alot of welshies i see are really forced to "go for it" and i have to close my eyes when i see them coming up to a corner !!
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