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Post by Pergolide on Jan 3, 2014 15:28:00 GMT
Pergolide wasn't licensed for horses for years and years despite being used in cushings sufferes for a long time. It has only become Pracend and licenced for use in horses in the last few years but that doesn't mean it was unsafe or not used before that.
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Post by taxpayer on Jan 3, 2014 17:24:06 GMT
It,s each to there own. We all have our own ideas and choices.
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Post by 09rebel99 on Jan 3, 2014 17:49:11 GMT
It,s each to there own. We all have our own ideas and choices. This is true taxpayer it's just some of us have a nicer way of putting things sometimes and are more open minded about things. At the end of the day we followed my vets advise and my insurers were happy to pay so that was good enough for us. It doesn't mean I would happily use an unlicensed drug again as it depends on circumstances.
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Post by taxpayer on Jan 3, 2014 18:16:31 GMT
Troll alert..... 09rebels99 is about!.... jog on... and you wonder why there is a thread on here called "Is HG boring".
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Post by 09rebel99 on Jan 3, 2014 18:49:59 GMT
Troll alert..... 09rebels99 is about!.... jog on... and you wonder why there is a thread on here called "Is HG boring". Taxpayer I am certainly no troll!!! Who do you think you are??!! Just because I didn't agree with you and think you have a seriously bad attitude!? I don't find HG boring but maybe the bullies that like to stir s**t and cause arguements like you do!! So you do us all a favour and jog on yourself as I'm sure most people on here want to read sensible posts and discussions and not grown adults (presuming you are an adult) calling each other names which personally I think is a disgrace!!
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Post by taxpayer on Jan 3, 2014 19:01:46 GMT
Rebel, think you started this argument. If you re read the whole posts, i was actually agreeing with the posters. The named drug is not licensed, but some vets do use it and some don,t. It all depends on your own individual choice on using a drug that obviouly has been used over the years, but is not licensed. I think that says it all..... there is, it would seem obvious question marks on its effectivness and safety. You used it and it worked, but, begs the question.......
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Post by tysilio99 on Jan 3, 2014 19:08:23 GMT
I totally agree with the 'everyone has their own opinion part but there was no need to form an argument and the comment 'Troll alert..... 09rebels99 is about!.... jog on... and you wonder why there is a thread on here called "Is HG boring". '
Is a bit out of order in my opinion.
Personally I wouldn't use a drug which is not licensed.
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Post by Guestless on Jan 3, 2014 19:10:02 GMT
I'm not sure what the argument is! I have used it, unsuccessfully as it happens, but I used it because I had seen it help with other horses on the same yard as me. It can work despite being unlicensed and I've not yet heard any tales of it causing any detrimental effect so it's worth a go if someone has a horse with a problem relating to mites.
Some people will chose not to use it due to it being unlicensed and that is fine but, as you already said, it is personal choice so why is there an argument at all? Maybe you're just bored tonight taxpayer?!
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Post by 09rebel99 on Jan 3, 2014 19:19:13 GMT
So there must be doubts about it,s effectivness and safety then, that they have not licensed it for horses, after 11 years! Would you give a horse cow,dog or sheep womers? No..... well. I think possibly the way you come across in this post says it all really taxpayer? I'm not the only 1 you seem to have been rather grouchy with recently, Xmas is over now Mrs Grinch, so give your head a wobble and try and be a bit nicer to people in 2014?
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Post by sjw87 on Jan 3, 2014 19:57:16 GMT
As said above, it is expensive to license. Thorough trials have to be done to conclude safely, efficacy and and possible side effects as well as paying a licensing fee.
Only a vet can prescribe a medication 'off license' and only if:
1. There is no suitable product available for the species in question (eg a horse with liver fluke would be treated with a sheep medicine).
2. There is no product available for the species with a suitable method of application (eg an unhandled horse may be prescribed a pour on cattle wormer product rather than syringe if the chemical needed is not able to be administered in feed).
3. If all suitable species specific medicines have been tried with no success.
It doesn't necessarily mean the medicines aren't safe but there is always a risk and unknown factor as they haven't been sufficiently trialed in horses to know any potential side effects. For that reason, I would never recommend lying to obtain a medicine by stating it is for something else.
Always consult your vet.
Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by taxpayer on Jan 3, 2014 20:07:34 GMT
Rebel you really are a prat! It depends how you wish to twist what i say. I presume you must be one of Phillipsa friends with the latest comment. I say what i mean and i stand behind everything i say or do, thats is why i am where i am in life, and that i have no complaints about. You?..... well. I do not take orders from such as you. I have no further reasons to want to spend my evening arguing with an idiot.... Good Night and God Bless.
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Post by 09rebel99 on Jan 3, 2014 20:17:55 GMT
Ahahaha!! No I don't know phillipa just to clear that up. I have a very nice life thank you very much. Not perfect but who's is? I work hard for a living and to pay for my own house, car and animals. People who do know me know I also say it how it is and will apoligise if I am wrong, I will agree to disagree ect ect. This time I do not feel the need to apoligise or agree to disagree with someone as rude as you! Have a lovely evening taxpayer :-)
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Post by taxpayer on Jan 3, 2014 20:24:35 GMT
Such is life when one has to work............. Rebel by name Rebel by nature.....
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Post by ruddles on Jan 3, 2014 21:00:27 GMT
Please be careful injecting with Dectomax. I have recently ended up at Leahurst with a pony, full body scrape and lots of questions. Professor Knottenbelt prescribed sulphur based shampoo left on for 10 mins and then rinsed off, then when pony nearly dry, apply Ivermectin wash (Ivermectin, propylene glycol and water) and leave to dry. Repeat after 14 days. It appears that Dectomax injections are not now considered the best way to deal with mites - rather, a topical application is more successful. I have several friends who are equine vets and all have stopped the Dectomax injections. Also, Deosect will not kill mites but will kill lice, just as Ivermectin wash is ineffective against lice. If it were me, I would want a skin scrape to find out what I was treating. Good luck.
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Post by bigmama on Jan 3, 2014 21:03:27 GMT
MIAOW! No need for this biatchiness taxpayer .. I have known Rebel personally for several years and she is a lovely person .. and no, I do not know Phillipa, no, I do not have to work either and no, I am not a bit*h, troll or any other silly name you can dream up, child
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Post by taxpayer on Jan 3, 2014 21:08:31 GMT
I could kiss you ruddles....... In my bluntness, i was trying to say what you have said. We too have used it, and not with good results but not wanting to go into detail about it. I said what i said like i said, and it got twisted. I was trying to say bluntly "learn from my mistake"!! I lost the horse.....
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Post by viking on Jan 3, 2014 21:13:07 GMT
Oh for heavens sake!
Taxpayer, Rebel, please can we have less of your nonsense!
I am sure you are both lovely. Now can we leave a childish spat behind.
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Post by 09rebel99 on Jan 3, 2014 21:20:42 GMT
Oh for heavens sake! Taxpayer, Rebel, please can we have less of your nonsense! I am sure you are both lovely. Now can we leave a childish spat behind. I quite agree viking but I do feel the need to defend myself when being called a prat and a troll of which I am niether.
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Post by taxpayer on Jan 3, 2014 21:22:53 GMT
I pick my dwebates wisely Viking, in that i don,t have to go and get some other person involved to get me out of a mess....
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Post by clueless on Jan 3, 2014 21:29:17 GMT
Cattle spot on...... Just on withers
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Post by 09rebel99 on Jan 3, 2014 21:30:11 GMT
I pick my dwebates wisely Viking, in that i don,t have to go and get some other person involved to get me out of a mess.... I didn't go and get some other person to get me out of a mess as I'm not in a mess! Believe me I can fight my own battles perfectly well by myself without being a rude, nasty, vile jumped up bully like yourself. Now I am not going to reply to you again taxpayer. You obviously are a very sad person that likes to pick arguements and try to intimidate and belittle other people. Well you picked on the wrong person I'm afraid. If you have an issue with me my name is Rebecca Sawyer, I live in Southport and my phone number is 07815736757. I shall await your call so we can carry on this discussion in private rather than you trying to make out your the dogs b*****ks and hiding behind GUEST status!!!!!
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Post by viking on Jan 3, 2014 21:31:30 GMT
Like little kids wanting the last word. I suggest you grow up the pair of you.
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Post by Guestless on Jan 3, 2014 22:19:20 GMT
Professor Knottenbelt prescribed sulphur based shampoo left on for 10 mins and then rinsed off, then when pony nearly dry, apply Ivermectin wash (Ivermectin, propylene glycol and water) and leave to dry. Repeat after 14 days. That sounds worth trying. Anyone know the name of a sulphur-based shampoo? Can you buy Ivermectin and propylene glycol without a prescription? I've only ever heard of using Ivermectin as a wormer so this is a new method for me
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Post by Taxpayer on Jan 3, 2014 23:01:12 GMT
Guestless, google ivermectin as horse shampoo. There is a web page called Horse Advice,Equine. it is American though! You will find most of your questions anwsered there.
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Post by ruddles on Jan 4, 2014 9:15:49 GMT
Guestless, I bought Selene shampoo off my vet as per instructions from Knotty. You will need a prescription or vet for the mite wash - most vets dispense small bottles of wash. I was able to buy Bimectin from my vet together with a large container of propylene glycol which is more cost-effective. The wash is made up with 20 ml Bimectin 200 ml glycol and 2 litres of warm water.
Eta pony was never injected with ivermectin, in constant contact with vet and telephone calls to Leahurst and was lucky to be referred to Knotty quickly.
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Post by Guestless on Jan 4, 2014 17:55:27 GMT
Thanks ruddles - you can't beat a bit of advice from Professor Knottenbelt so I will definitely give that a go next spring.
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Post by carolla on Jan 10, 2014 14:45:53 GMT
You can buy from Wynnstay/ farm and pet if you have a county parish holding number and if they ask its for sheep. My horse 148cm trad 650kg has 20 mls in the neck.
Can you please tell me if the Dectomax was given in the muscle or sub Q(under the skin)? All given in one location or split in two locations in the neck? Was there any soreness or inflammation that followed the injections? Thank you!!
The dectomax is injected into muscle, mine have no problems with it or neither is there swellings.
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Post by clifton on Jan 10, 2014 17:55:36 GMT
Further to a previous post where somebody said that Deosect does not kill mites. Deosect contains Cypermethrin and it according to the literature it kill mites, it is also used a lot as a fly spray if really diluted for sweetitch.
This is what it say about Cypermethrin
EFFICACY AGAINST PARASITES
Type of action: Broad spectrum contact, non systemic ectoparasiticide: insecticide, acaricide, tickicide, louisicide, larvicide Main veterinary parasites controlled: flies, ticks, mites, lice, fleas, mosquitoes, etc.
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Post by Guestless on Jan 10, 2014 18:23:04 GMT
Can you please tell me if the Dectomax was given in the muscle or sub Q(under the skin)? All given in one location or split in two locations in the neck? Was there any soreness or inflammation that followed the injections? Thank you!!
The dectomax is injected into muscle, mine have no problems with it or neither is there swellings. My vet definitely administers it through subcutaneous injection and not intramuscular. I wonder if this varies from vet to vet
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Post by carolla on Jan 10, 2014 18:49:16 GMT
Prior to moving here my previous vet administered through muscle.
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