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Post by Erinx on Jun 30, 2012 12:36:12 GMT
Sorry Nia I didn't finish what I ment. The system would be there to help those in need and those that are genuinely unable to work. Maybe there should be a time limit for those that claim jsa/income support, people should have to go to the job centre to apply for jobs aswell as sign on. Like you said there are jobs out there, so maybe there could be more rules in place when your out of work?
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Post by nia2311 on Jun 30, 2012 12:44:21 GMT
I wouldn't restrict job hunting to the job centre only, because people looking for professional jobs would be excluded. JobCentre do not carry many "professional" jobs, as I found last year when I used the JobCentre to look for work. I was better off looking myself using specialist websites and using specialist agencies. You should have to prove how many jobs you have applied for, by keeping copies of the applications which should be brought to your JobCentre meetings. I know people who have claimed JSA and the people on the desks just take their word for it - they ask "have you applied for jobs this week?" they say "yes, 3" and that's it. No proof needed. I think it is fair to start off just applying for jobs within your field of specialism, say for the first 3 months, but then after that, you should be asked to apply for any job in your local area.
And yes, perhaps time limits. But people claiming just JSA aren't the crux of the problem. It is those families on long term income support, housing benefit, council tax benefit, free prescriptions, disability benefit (where no real disability exists) and all the rest of it. It is the combined total of all those benefits, where no desire to work is involved, that really gets my goat.
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Post by Erinx on Jun 30, 2012 12:54:50 GMT
I doubt that there are many professionals that are happy to be on jsa and not bother looking for a job. I can't see there being many professionals on long term jsa can you?
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Post by nia2311 on Jun 30, 2012 13:23:54 GMT
I doubt that there are many professionals that are happy to be on jsa and not bother looking for a job. I can't see there being many professionals on long term jsa can you? I don't know!! There are quite a lot of professionals aged over 45/50 who have been made redundant, who do find it hard to get back into work, due to ageism. My stepdad experienced this. As a timeserved mechanical engineer, he finished up working in B&Q because no-one wanted to employ an engineer in his mid-50s. He has eventually found work back at one of the paper mills he started out in, but now he's the foreman, not the apprentice - he's gone full circle!! I think there may be a few professionals on long term JSA, but mainly due to circumstances beyond their control. My point is, you cannot specify that everyone on JSA must apply for jobs through the JobCentre because a lot of people won't find their preferred types of work that way. |
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Post by sometime on Jun 30, 2012 16:43:04 GMT
Well said amumwithapony it is the next generation that we need to educate out of the myth of benefit dependence and we need to encourage them by withdrawing payments if they dont attend from 9-5 educational and social responsibility courses. If it exists which I very much doubt the automatic entitlement for pregnant teens to any form of housing unless homeless and at risk should be ended and they need to be informed of that fact from an early age.
So we are back to education again. I do think that if these courses were paid to attend courses so the young still got the allowance but it was dependent on attendance there would be more uptake . These courses need to start with the vulnerable 11 year olds and upwards who fail to attend school and are also at risk of early pregnancy because they see it as an escaped. Most under the age of 11 are abuse victims and should be properly investigated and the perpetrators punished. Over 11 it kind of become a grey area as they can dress themselves up often with parental consent to appear much older and of age It is still of course statutory rape and a crime but each case needs very careful investigation and a level of compassion if these young girls really are looking for affection. I am horrified at the high rate of teenage pregnancy in this country it is supposed to be a caring and civilised country but it is awful that these kids are being so let down
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Post by cayo on Jun 30, 2012 18:42:43 GMT
In this country young people are adults at 18yrs they can work, drink ,pay tax ,get married have a family ,but not recieve decent housing benefit should they need it or enough to live on should they loose thier job should they have one even if they have been paying tax,my daughters worked 6yrs and if she looses her job will get £60 and barely any help with rent,it would help her exist but not live not without her parents help too .so ok we make them stay on in education till 21 who would pay for it ,it costs a d**n site more than the £60 they get on the dole to keep them in school ,so who pays the tax payer or we tie them with thousands of pounds worth of debt before they even start work not an option really is it we cant afford that either surely .
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Post by sometime on Jun 30, 2012 20:25:10 GMT
That is precisely why I said the idea was a good one in terms of the education and the training in social responsibility but it must be paid for and must mean that the benefits are there to support them. It would cost considerably more than the measly benefit payments they already receive but should break the cycle of long term benefit dependency and give people back the pride in themselves and the notion that it is essential to contribute. Giving the young skills and support to be competitive in the work place is very important. Of course none of this is possible without financial support and a massive upturn in growth and a return to near full employment (ie under 1 000 000 unemployed) All these thing go hand in hand.
As it is there is very little chance of the long term unemployed getting even the most insignificant of jobs as there is a mobile experienced workforce of 50 to 1 people to jobs. It is almost impossible for them to compete and they need the experience and training to do so. Only paying for education training and work placement can give them that experience and to a certain extent that will only come again when that workforce is needed to maintain the capitalist systems need for profit and not sadly while there is a recession and a shrinking within the economy
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