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Post by Karen, garrettponies on Jun 24, 2012 11:17:00 GMT
I am gobsmacked this morning and need to share this, no one else home!!
Have had a B & B guest in last two weekends, same guy, nice enough and he came last year too. Now before I start I will make it plain I have no gripe with anyone claiming benefits for geniune reasons but this one is beyond belief!
He has lost 7 stone in a year and is still massively overweight and is diabetic, brought on by his weight. Other than that nothing wrong with him. He does 5 different voluntary jobs including countryside ranger so is clearly not inactive! He is on disability benefit, gets a disability car, has every form of electronc gadget in his possession, ipad, iphone, new laptop etc etc etc. He has being staying with me while doing one of his 'volunatry' jobs locally and is now off to London to do more of the same, staying in a hotel. Is having another two holidays later in the year. He blatantly says if the govt start reviewing benefits there is no way he will work! He has also written diet books and buys and sells on ebay. I was a tad annoyed by all this but then announces when he sees me ironing that he has a lady that does his ironing 2 hours a week and another cleaner 2 hours a week and its worth it, only paying £14 per hour as he is so BUSY doing his voluntary stuff...................
Now who pays for all this........not him!! Us!! I work hard, like we all do, and have no issues with anyone on benefits as long as they are not completely taking the proverbial p***. I don't hardly have holidays apart from stayovers at shows, my money pays for living and ponies.
He says he's coming back next year, same two weekends..........I think I'm going to be fully booked.
I have a disabled great niece and my niece (her mum) has to fight tooth and nail for everything they apply for and that child has more problems than any child should ever have to bear, 52 operations in her 7 years and many more to come.
There is something terribly wrong with this system. Is it worth working?
Rant over, thank you for reading ;D
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Post by scruff on Jun 24, 2012 11:28:54 GMT
I ask myself this on a regular basis after first working in social services and now education! We are clearly the numpties who are expected to fund others' lifestyles...I say lifestyles because those that use the system are not just the very poor and needy who really need it to live, which is the very reason it was set up in the first place, but those that just never get round to working, that claim incapacity benefit for invisible problems and generally play the system for all it's worth!! aargh aargh aargh!!!
On the plus side, at least your guest did do some voluntary work so was putting something back which is more than most.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Jun 24, 2012 11:38:25 GMT
At least he does some volountry work but I expect of he did paid work he wouldn't get anywhere near as much as he does from benefits!! The lazy get rewarded and those that really need benefits have to fight like mad to get it.
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Post by viking on Jun 24, 2012 12:16:50 GMT
The system is wrong from top to bottom. High time it was sorted out!
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Post by Ace on Jun 24, 2012 12:28:53 GMT
The system is wrong from top to bottom. High time it was sorted out! couldnt agree more... my mums friend for example works part time through the week and pays for everything for her and her children but if she was to claim benifits she would get an extra £38 for doing nothing but going to sign on?  where is the logic in that it just give people the insentive not to work? also why im on the subject i must mention Jeremy Kyle....have you seen the people on there all on benifits all with kids and all on drugs at us the tax payers expense.....why has the goverment not clicked onto this!! its probs becasue they are all right in there little bubble as long as they are getting what they want and there money i dont think there that bothered!! it is a total joke.... |
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Post by browbands.co.uk on Jun 24, 2012 12:44:03 GMT
I had this discussion just the other night about how the hard workers in this country get thumped by the government and the lazy p*** takers get everything they could ever want. I am sick fed up of people using my hard earned tax to pay for there idleness. I work day and night to keep a roof over my head, keep my family warm, fed and keep the ponies but the slackers in this country get it handed to them on a silver platter!!!!  If it were up to me the idle persons in this country would be abandoned on an island somewhere and never invited back!! I am so sorry about your niece i think it is awful that see must struggle to get help and this lazy person gets everything i am absolutely disgusted. OK I'm done i will get off my soap box now.  |
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Post by suzee on Jun 24, 2012 13:00:39 GMT
If i could have my time over again!! i would be straight down the benefits office asap and enjoy doing whatever i wanted while everone else paid for it.In years to come i do not think there will be many people trying to work as we will be overwhelmed by the slackers who are a total waste of space but know every dodge and what they are "entitled" to ggrrr
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Post by piaffe on Jun 24, 2012 13:19:38 GMT
I rant constantly over this at work. Most of us know some one taking the P***. I know one girl well 27 never worked a full week in her life has her own house, and 2 horses.  I spend all my spare money on my horse, sometimes to the detriment of my house. This country is just going sorry gone to the dogs.  |
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Post by bumblebee on Jun 24, 2012 13:34:45 GMT
Please don't tar all on benefits with the same brush. I'm currently on jobseekers - not because I'm too lazy to work, but because finding work isn't easy at the moment. I have a job lined up but am waiting to be given hours, and am seeking temporary work until then (not easy to come by). I've also been applying for alternative full time jobs but again no luck (not through lack of trying - do 15 applications a week on average). I get £50 a week benefit - thats about what the average person earns in a day. It's barely enough to live off - luckily I'm still living at home with my mum and between her wages and the small amount that I can afford we are surviving.
I'm very fortunate that my father is a farmer so has let me move my two ponies onto one of his fields, so other than having their feet trimmed they don't cost me anything. My family have all clumped together and paid for my Equifest entries for birthday/christmas presents.
Personally I can't see how all these people are living off benefits and still being so well off. I'm desperate to start working again as will be a LOT better off than I am atm.
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Post by piaffe on Jun 24, 2012 13:46:41 GMT
bumblebee. I know not all people on benefits are dishonest. It just seems the genuine people really struggle to get any help when they need it.
It's all about knowing how to work the system which many of them do very well.
Good luck with your search for work. I know its hard to come by at the moment. We had nearly 200 applications for a 20hr a week job. From mums with children at school to an ex company director. It was really heart breaking. Wish we could have taken more than 1.
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Post by Karen, garrettponies on Jun 24, 2012 15:06:22 GMT
Wouldn't dream of tarring everyone with the same brush Bumblebee, there's plenty of us that have had to have help over the years, me included. Good luck with your search, I know its not easy. My gripe is those that totally milk the system and find every loophole there is to avoid it. This guy is a prime example and has annoyed the living daylights out of me  |
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Post by browbands.co.uk on Jun 24, 2012 15:46:02 GMT
I wasn't my intention to tar everyone with the same brush and i an very sorry if i came across that way! I have no gripe about the actual disabled, actual job seekers etc etc.
It is the lazy P*** takers I was talking about the ones who are quite happy to rip the system for every penny and i am sure that is what everyone else is talking about.
Bumblebee you are probably getting much less in benefits than the ignoramuses who know how to milk the system.
I wish you good luck with your job hunt and i am sure you will find one in no time. Just remember most of the hard workers in this country have been unemployed at some point or other so you are not alone ;D
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 24, 2012 17:27:14 GMT
There is a woman that parks in the disabled bay at my gym and she has a blue badge. She then legs it (literally) into the gym and goes for it big time in a zumba class. I have a bug bear about people parking in disabled bays so I did report this woman thinking she is using the blue badge fraudulently.
Turns out she is claiming the higher rate disability allowance and therefore is entitled to the blue badge without question. The authorities are not the slightest interested in investigating.
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Post by Ace on Jun 24, 2012 17:41:26 GMT
Some people are just awful claming benefits they don't need while as you say there is people out there that genuinly need the help but can't have it because other people are ripping the government off and stopping other people getting what they need!
I also have no problem with people on benefits and I understand at this point in time it is hard to get a job but i think the point of this thread is not about people on job seekers that are actually trying there beat to find work. It's the people that are quite happy doing nothing and claiming it with no intention in finding work and people who are saying they need a certain type of benifit when they actually don't!
Also good luck on the job hunt hope you find something soon!! X
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Post by nia2311 on Jun 24, 2012 23:03:25 GMT
Blue badge abuse really gets my goat. I took my terminally ill Grandmother to an appointment at Lancaster Hospital back in 2010. She was an in-patient at Westmorland General and was supposed to be taken in an ambulance for this scan at Lancaster. I came to accompany her. We waited and waited on the ward and no ambulance came. By the time it was 30min before her appointment, I asked the nurses AGAIN to find out where they were. They replied someone had forgotten to book it, so they would cancel the appointment and wait for another slot. I said I was not happy with this - my Grandma was clearly deteriorating and we needed to know the results of this scan on her kidneys asap. Therefore, I agreed to take her myself in my own car. We borrowed a hospital wheelchair and nurses helped me to get her into the passenger seat and off we went.
On arriving at Lancaster, I tried to park in a disabled space by the entrance. All were taken. I went out onto the road to find a space on a yellow line, again, all taken. The nearest legal place to park was a 5min walk away, with lots of obstacles to encouter with the wheelchair. So, I waited in the disabled parking area. A space became vacant and I queued up to park. Before I could move, another smaller car shot into the space. A large man leapt from the car and opened the passenger door for a very able bodied teenager. I wound down my window and asked him to move. He swore at me. I gesticulated to the bag of bones (my Granny) on the seat beside me and told him we had an urgent appointment. He stuck up two fingers and flounced into the hospital. I got out and looked at the blue badge he had displayed. It showed an elderly lady who was not with him at all.
I eventually had to park on a normal car park and paid £5 as we didn't know how long we would be. The car park was on a hill and I struggled to help my Granny into the wheelchair on the slope. She could not support herself for more than a moment or two. No-one stopped to help. We got to the appointment eventually an hour late. We battled back to the car and got back to Westmorland. There were no disabled spaces there either, so I parked in the ambulance bay. I had to ask the receptionist to watch my Grandma in her wheelchair until I could park again and come back for her. We got back to the ward and handed in the test results.
My Grandma died of extensive cancer and tuberculosis 3 months later, in a care home.
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Post by Ace on Jun 24, 2012 23:35:39 GMT
Blue badge abuse really gets my goat. I took my terminally ill Grandmother to an appointment at Lancaster Hospital back in 2010. She was an in-patient at Westmorland General and was supposed to be taken in an ambulance for this scan at Lancaster. I came to accompany her. We waited and waited on the ward and no ambulance came. By the time it was 30min before her appointment, I asked the nurses AGAIN to find out where they were. They replied someone had forgotten to book it, so they would cancel the appointment and wait for another slot. I said I was not happy with this - my Grandma was clearly deteriorating and we needed to know the results of this scan on her kidneys asap. Therefore, I agreed to take her myself in my own car. We borrowed a hospital wheelchair and nurses helped me to get her into the passenger seat and off we went. On arriving at Lancaster, I tried to park in a disabled space by the entrance. All were taken. I went out onto the road to find a space on a yellow line, again, all taken. The nearest legal place to park was a 5min walk away, with lots of obstacles to encouter with the wheelchair. So, I waited in the disabled parking area. A space became vacant and I queued up to park. Before I could move, another smaller car shot into the space. A large man leapt from the car and opened the passenger door for a very able bodied teenager. I wound down my window and asked him to move. He swore at me. I gesticulated to the bag of bones (my Granny) on the seat beside me and told him we had an urgent appointment. He stuck up two fingers and flounced into the hospital. I got out and looked at the blue badge he had displayed. It showed an elderly lady who was not with him at all. I eventually had to park on a normal car park and paid £5 as we didn't know how long we would be. The car park was on a hill and I struggled to help my Granny into the wheelchair on the slope. She could not support herself for more than a moment or two. No-one stopped to help. We got to the appointment eventually an hour late. We battled back to the car and got back to Westmorland. There were no disabled spaces there either, so I parked in the ambulance bay. I had to ask the receptionist to watch my Grandma in her wheelchair until I could park again and come back for her. We got back to the ward and handed in the test results. My Grandma died of extensive cancer and tuberculosis 3 months later, in a care home. so sorry to hear about your grandma... i read that in compleate dis belief that some one would do something like that!... he has obviously never had someone close to him be that ill that every min/hour/day and appointment counts! totaly discusting behaviour! My aunt was also very ill with cancer and eventually passed away after a long and excrusiating time for both her and us and i think if anything like that had happened to me i would have not been responsable for my actions and likely have been arrested!!! It just shows how in human so people actually are! xx |
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Post by chalky284 on Jun 24, 2012 23:38:19 GMT
Well I blame the liberal thinkers who jump on the human rights line everytime anyone speaks out about how our country is abused. The media don't help either, one minute slating such abusers of our wonderful welfare state, then next minute slating 'bigots' who speak out against it!! we will lose what we have if things don't change, it was set up to help those in dire need, not as a free handout to those who either can't be bothered or come from abroad and take it.
Don't get me started
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Post by amumwithapony on Jun 25, 2012 9:03:49 GMT
I see the government is inviting a discussion about the culture of the UK at the moment  They want to cancel housing benefit for those under 25. Good idea I think but they will never get away with it. And it will have a massive effect on the private rented sector as well. Many landlords will be faced with tenants that have no way of paying rent,will have to wait until they are 2 months in arrears to begin a 2 month eviction process, so will be 4 months rent down, plus legal costs. They should cancel social housing for those under 25 IMO. Ridiculous that they can get pregnant at 15/16 and end up with a nice council house in their choice of area by the time the baby is 1. If they know they can't have social housing until they are 25 many may think twice before finding themselves with child. They won't want private rented accomodation as they want to be on the council estate they grew up on and go from house to house all day, smoking pot, and drinking cheap cider  They should also make all single parents with children in full time school either work or go on courses once the child gets to school age. If there are no jobs then they work in the community to earn their benefits. They can have school holidays off and finish in time to do the school run. Many mums and dads don't have the luxury of finishing work when their kids do, I didn't when my daughter was little. Not only will this encourage people to find jobs, it will discourage the 3rd generation of slackers from finding themselves in that situation in the first place. My ex is a prime example of the bone idle society that seems to be increasing  My little girl is 8 in 3 weeks. He has worked for about 18 months in that time. He left his last job after 3 weeks as the canteen was 'dirty'. The one before he got sacked after 2 weeks for being late. The one before that he got drunk before he went to work and insulted his boss after 1 week. He has a council flat that is paid for, and gets his JSA. He has told my daughter he doesn't need to work as he 'earns' enough money just as he is. Luckily she sees me and her step father work hard and knows (even at her age) that he is a lazy so and so. |
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Post by viking on Jun 25, 2012 9:58:48 GMT
Quote AMWAP -
He has told my daughter he doesn't need to work as he 'earns' enough money just as he is.
'earns'.......
Isn't that galling, for those that work and do pay their taxes !
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Post by passing judgement on Jun 25, 2012 10:01:18 GMT
If they know they can't have social housing until they are 25 many may think twice before finding themselves with child. They won't want private rented accomodation as they want to be on the council estate they grew up on and go from house to house all day, smoking pot, and drinking cheap cider
What an awfully judgemental thing to say, talk about labelling people and tarring people with the same brush!
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Post by nia2311 on Jun 25, 2012 10:22:27 GMT
I was 16 when I had my son. I lived with my parents until I was 18. I now own my own house with my husband (I am 26) and have never claimed any benefits, other than Child Benefit and Tax Credits, which pretty much every family gets anyway. Whilst I was at college, I received EMA, as did many students. My EMA paid for nappies, wipes etc, for petrol to get my son to nursery and me to college. It did not pay for booze, drugs or anything else. I have never smoked, not even touched a cigarette. I do not drink either.
I have always worked, I recently retrained and am currently looking for a teaching job, so whilst I am technically unemployed, I am not on any out of work benefits. We are supported by my husband's job and I am doing some work for my Dad's tour guiding business, as much as my injured shoulder will allow. I have an interview on Wednesday for a teaching job. It is 36 miles away from home - I am willing to commute up to an hour away to find work.
I agree to a certain extent to AMWAP, but would not suggest for one moment that most young parents drink or do drugs, as I know that is not the case. But, I do not agree with easy-access council houses for teenage/young parents, nor with liberal state handouts for anyone. Clearly, there are situations where short term benefits may be needed, if someone is made redundant, or becomes ill, but to avoid working as so many people do, seeing benefits as a career, or as a wage, is ridiculous.
I would not ever want to see children made destitute through removal of benefits, but at some point, we cannot continue to hand out money to people who have never, and who will never, work. I have found myself out of work a few times in the past 4 years and at no point did I claim benefits. My husband has never earned a lot of money, and there were times where we had to go round the supermarket with a calculator to make sure we only bought what we could afford. Yet, every time I found work within 3-4 months and things got better.
Some people do not want to work, and no that does not mean EVERYONE on JSA. It means the hardcore who have been on it for years and years, and who wouldn't know work if it hit them between the eyes and it is these people we need to sort out.
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Post by cayo on Jun 25, 2012 10:59:31 GMT
The problem isnt the benefits but the people who cheat he system there is also a huge ammount of benefits go unclaimed becaue its so difficuilt to get what you are entitled too the majority of people on benefits needs them its the minority that take the pee the system is unfair but please be careful when saying what is that maddens you over this £50 or £60 a week for single people get sthem nothing but their board paid not a great lifestyle thise with great lifestyles are either cheating the system or genuineley entitled to what they get due to some major disabilty and just becaus ethey are disabled dosent mean they should just get enough to exist on i kno wi would rather be as i am than so severley disabled i cant do anything for myself ,the government want all of us who work to turn against benefit claiments of all types giving them an excuse to reduce what they get even more there are no jobs an dnow instead of calling them unemployed which is what they are they now refer to people with a job as workless now ask your self what picture does this conjour up not that of someone looking for a job and down on his luck in need of some help until they find a new job ,no it makes you think worthless layabouts who dont want to work ,and no wthey plan to take away housing benefit from the under 25s so where do they live if they cant live and depend on their hard working parents they are old enough to vote and pay tax but old enough or worthy enough to have a roof over their heads ,what about all the kids in care who are on their own at 18yrs where do they go on the streets and so where does this government leave the young people in country who hav eto live on £60 a week and cant have a roof over their head as no money to pay for it well lets wait and see the crime rate soar shall we .i could go on an don but top and bottom is that this gov wants us all to turn against anyone who hasnt a job even those who are genuine claiments the non genuine claiments are simpley criminals as are the rich who avoid taxes and mps who steal and call it exspences theres no differnce is there except the rich like to call it avoidence or a mistake where as the poor are just lazy scroungers they make me sick grrr
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Post by cayo on Jun 25, 2012 11:27:24 GMT
oh my god the hypocrosy of that vile david cameron no sooner had i written the above when he appears on tv to declare that the benefits system in this country encourages a something for nothing society well excuse me cameron where did your millions come from yes your dad you didnt work for your millions you were handed it on plate which you then made into more millions well we dont all have millionaire parents that can set us up for life and the means to employ ourselves you really are a vile being
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Post by amumwithapony on Jun 25, 2012 11:39:32 GMT
I was cut short as I made this post, do apologise to any I have offended.
Not ALL young, single parents drink/smoke/do drugs. Of course they don't.
However, in some areas and estates in the UK families are now onto the 3rd generation of people who are long term unemployed. Still doesn't make them bad parents for being young parents BUT the country DOES need to stand up to people who make a career out of claiming hand outs.
I explained the tax and benefit system to my 7 year old a few months ago, after she came home from my ex's and told me that he has said he 'earns' enough money to not have to work.
I explained to her that people like Daddy who lives with us and mummy go to work to earn their wages. Out of this wage 1/4 (roughly) is stopped to go in the country's 'pot'. This pays for hospitals and schools and stuff like that but also some of this pot is given to those who are too poorly to work or those who don't have a job. Those that don't have a job right now will get some of it which is fair, those that don't have a job right now, havent had one for a long time and have no intention of getting a job don't put very much into the 'pot' but still get the same as those that don't have a job 'right now'.
In the wisdon of a 7 year old she simply said that its not a fair way to do it as some take out of the pot and never put back in.
I think that makes perfect sense. I was a single parent for 2 years. I worked until the day before I had my C section, then was back at work 3 weeks later. I didn't get a council house given to me or £120 a week to live on. Even working 30 hours a week by the time I'd paid my rent, council tax, 30% of her child care costs and bus fares to and from work I was left with about £70 to feed and clothe us both as well as pay utilities. I would have been much better off not working at that time. And having £120 a week to live off, plus not worrying about what to do if she was sick or I was sick etc etc etc.
The problem is not the welfare state IMO, its the abuse that people give it. People have no pride in working to earn a living any more. We now run a building firm and struggle to get hard working labourers for £400 a week! For about 35 hours work. The common question we get asked is 'will you be able to pay me cash in hand?' and 'I 'live' at my mums, but can you collect me from my girlfriends house every morning?'
Whilst ever people have this attitude that its OK for them to claim Housing Benefit and JSA and Income Support and work the system many hard working people will feel aggrieved about the system that takes from their pay packets to give to people who will not work. Who don't have any incentive to get off their asses and get a job. It doesn't matter if they are no better off by working, the country is better off by them working and at the moment its the country that is supporting them. So if the country says we don't want to support people like this, then its time for the Government (who are put in their positions by the people of the country) listened and did something about it.
For me Social Housing should be a privallage not a right. It shouldn't be given to those in society who don't and won't work. It should be given to hard working families who can not afford to get onto the property ladder.
Those who are genuienly sick and in need of help should get more help. Drug addicts and alcoholics should not get extra money because of their 'disablity', those with terminal or chronic illness's should.
Those young parents who think that its easier having babies than having a job should be made to juggle both, like many others do. If they don't then they should get vouchers for food and nappies and shopping rather than cash. That way the children won't be left in poverty. I imagine some of them will get a better diet and lifestyle that way as well.
Those who rely on HB to pay their rents in social or privatly rented housing should have to pay it back eventually. An adjustment on their tax code or some system like student loans perhaps?
And the country's politicians need to grow some back bone and stand up to the nations scroungers and say enough is enough. We'd all feel very strongly about it I'm sure if we had to take 25% of our wages and hand them out to people who don't work rather than it being deducted in our taxes.
Can you imagine recieving a letter and being given details of the person or family you are to support? Can you imagine having to meet them and hand over your 25%? To go shopping and put 1/4 of your shopping in their fridge? To go without something for a luxury or even to pay a bill whilst they pay for cigarattes and alchohol and nights out with your wages? Because thats what some people do and its time it was stopped.
Hard times sometimes happen. But constant hard times are a sign of something more fundementally wrong with that person or family or our country.
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Post by sink estate on Jun 25, 2012 12:13:13 GMT
'passing judgement' sorry but it isnt judgemental it is very true, i have worked as a social worker for 14 years now, with teenagers and disabled people and seeing the same old same old is really depressing.
Of course there are deserving people out there trying to do the best they can with their life circumstances BUT
there is a clear cycle of a large group who are 'professional layabouts' it goes from generation to generation. It starts with the teens who doss around getting into drink and drugs and catching std's, that is their social circle and they dont see that there is anything else to do.
The older ones just keep breeding more as it gives them a 'payrise' and spend there spare time drinkinbg smoking bingo etc.
Yes it looks a very stereotypical picture but that is because it is true. I wish the government would sort it out but I fear its gone too far......
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 25, 2012 12:13:24 GMT
I now a number of people that get benefits and not one that does so legally and I don't live in a rough area either.
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Post by passing judgement on Jun 25, 2012 13:32:15 GMT
'passing judgement' sorry but it isnt judgemental it is very true, i have worked as a social worker for 14 years now, with teenagers and disabled people and seeing the same old same old is really depressing. Of course there are deserving people out there trying to do the best they can with their life circumstances BUT there is a clear cycle of a large group who are 'professional layabouts' it goes from generation to generation. It starts with the teens who doss around getting into drink and drugs and catching std's, that is their social circle and they dont see that there is anything else to do. The older ones just keep breeding more as it gives them a 'payrise' and spend there spare time drinkinbg smoking bingo etc. Yes it looks a very stereotypical picture but that is because it is true. I wish the government would sort it out but I fear its gone too far...... I am sorry, but it is not true of ALL people who live on council estates/growing up on them and that is what i found judgemental! Since then, AMWAP has apologised and i do see all of her other points and agree with them! I'm quite sure many people on Horse Gossip grew up on such estates, infact i know alot of them did and i am quite sure, most would be offended, especially the single mums by such a comment! Some of us single mums happen to have a very nice life. Earned every penny of it ourselves and have never done drugs or the like, some of us pay our own rent, feed our own horses and put clothes on our childrens backs, shock horror children with the same dad. So yes, it was a judgemental thing to say. Not everyone who grows up on a council estate is a person without ambition, or the need for a better life. |
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Post by cayo on Jun 25, 2012 16:56:11 GMT
I think a lot of people need to think themselve lucky they wernt born into living on one of these so called work shy estates ,its not the kids fault they were born there is it the fact that they grow up where there are no jobs to have ect the people who really wont work are a minority and we lose far less on keeping them than we do on tax avoiders this is a fact and either way these people are robbing society we cannot punish all the less well off or less well educated people because of these few true scroungers top and bottom is there will never be enough work for everyone to have a job and if a few wont work then at least the few jobs available will go to those who really want to work and at the moment their are few jobs about and lets face it the job has to be in the right place i found many a ob my son could apply for when he was without a job but they were simply to far away he had no transport cant afford to learn to drive let alone have no savings £60 in benefit couldnt get a relocation allowence to move area and if they gov get their way would also be homeless a she wouldnt get his housing benefit either also he couldnt afford the bus far for first month while he waited for his first wage or to feed himself should he have taken a job requiring traveling or not as he would get no benefit once in work and would be pennyless and unable to support himself for a month in the we support him through the first month and dont take the money back off him or at the end of that month he would again having nothing left out of his low paid job but what of the young people who dont have someone to support them through periods of unemployment and getting back to work poor sods i say .no w eneed to create jobs and also make it much easier for people to return to work should they be lucky enough to find one because we dont and never will live in a country where there is a job for 100% of the population and thos eof us who do have work should in todays climate think ourselves very lucky to be working and not living on benefits . Just had an idea if anyone thinks they are better off unemployed why dont you try it and let someone else have your job  |
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Post by sometime on Jun 25, 2012 17:14:51 GMT
I also think there is a certain misconception perpetrated that being young and pregnant automatically entitles you to a house or flat In my experience this is not the case. I know of many youngsters who have children and either have to sleep on sofas or at parents homes they have no money for extra and no home their children are often threatened with care orders and with starvation in some cases there are children in this country that go to bed hungry and dirty due to living in dirty hovels not fit to call a home and it is not their or their parents fault it is the only place they can live and maybe only one room that doesnt run with water or is covered in black mould. I am sorry so many of you are troubled by stereotypical images not rich claimants having foreign holidays and running expensive cars. I dont deny there are a small minority that play the system but they are just that a very small minority.
People in need should be supported
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 25, 2012 17:31:39 GMT
How about taking advantage of the free contraception on offer (that those of us in work are paying for by the way), and not getting pregnant in the first place unless you are in a position both fianancially and emotionally to bring up a child properly?? OK so I appreciate circumstances can change, but by and large people don't think long term before having unprotected sex!
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where is the logic in that it just give people the insentive not to work? 
My little girl is 8 in 3 weeks. He has worked for about 18 months in that time. He left his last job after 3 weeks as the canteen was 'dirty'. The one before he got sacked after 2 weeks for being late. The one before that he got drunk before he went to work and insulted his boss after 1 week. He has a council flat that is paid for, and gets his JSA. He has told my daughter he doesn't need to work as he 'earns' enough money just as he is. Luckily she sees me and her step father work hard and knows (even at her age) that he is a lazy so and so. 
