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Post by Milliesmum on Jul 4, 2012 21:50:12 GMT
How long has she been broken?
I would say it's a schooling thing, you have to ride the back end to get the front to come right.
Lots of serpentines, transitions, circles etc., keep it varied and make her think but try and leave the front end alone for a bit. If you can get her working through from behind the head carriage will come naturally with time but there are no short cuts. Well not ones that work anyway.
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Post by showingfanatic on Jul 4, 2012 21:50:57 GMT
i would get a good instuctor to start schooling her correctly who can then relay how they find her to you from the ground when you get back on. i would also be very wary of draw reins  |
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Post by speedysally on Jul 4, 2012 22:01:14 GMT
well, got her out of racing as a 3 yr old, gave her a year off, got a sarcoid at 4 yrs- had seven months off and now she's 5 and not been schooled much! so yeah, could be that! yeah always do a variety of stuff with her like serpentines ect as she gets easily bored going around in circles!. my mums been riding 35 years + so would be a waste of money to get an instructor schooling her? and yeah will do! if anything, i dont really like them! i put them on as loosely as possible!
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Post by GinaGeo on Jul 4, 2012 22:12:45 GMT
Ditch the draw reins, she will always be the same without them, once they come off again. Been there, tried that one. It failed big time, took more work to sort the problems I caused than it would have been to sort it properly in the first place  Just because your mum's been riding for 35yrs doesn't mean she's above instruction. I'm sure the like's of William Fox Pitt, John Whitaker, Mary King, Carl Hester have been riding for that length of time and more and still have regular lessons. She needs good quality regular schooling. Some find working correctly easier than others. My youngster it comes naturally too, he has natural self carriage. My older horse never has and never will, he never willingly holds himself by choice, I have to be riding him effectively for him to work - he'd rather not, his conformation makes it harder for him to work from dot. Get an instructor in, they'll be able to see the mare working and have a sit on her to get a feel of what's happening. They'll then be able to help teach you the skills you need to get the best out of her. Short cuts don't work long term. |
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Post by lisadundee on Jul 4, 2012 22:20:26 GMT
Get your mum to solve the problem then? :-D
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Post by dazycutter on Jul 4, 2012 23:13:04 GMT
You need to teach her to go long and low stick her on the Pessoa and get some contact
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 5, 2012 9:46:38 GMT
well, got her out of racing as a 3 yr old, gave her a year off, got a sarcoid at 4 yrs- had seven months off and now she's 5 and not been schooled much! so yeah, could be that! yeah always do a variety of stuff with her like serpentines ect as she gets easily bored going around in circles!. my mums been riding 35 years + so would be a waste of money to get an instructor schooling her? and yeah will do! if anything, i dont really like them! i put them on as loosely as possible! You need to open your mind and listen, preferably to a qualified instructor, otherwise you will have this issue and many more. Poster before is correct, your horse needs some schooling from a qualified rider and in the nicest way, you do really need some lessons. I could immediately point out areas of improvement to yourself. At this stage I would not even look at your horse because your horse cannot improve her way of going until you improve yours. You will destroy that horse if you use draw reins. |
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Post by brindlerainbow on Jul 5, 2012 13:47:03 GMT
The horse looks a nice sort. I agree with what everyone else has said. Just because your mum has been riding for 35 years doesnt mean that she can ride, theres riding and theres being able to stay on a horse and theres a massive difference between the two You too need some lessons, in the photo you have no contact on the horses mouth which is why it's wandering along with its head in the air. You need to take up a contact and you also need to use your legs to push it up into its bridle, schooling can take place on hacks not just in the school. Im sure the horse will come right but you need to be consistent and make the horse work correctly so i developes the right muscles.Lessons a couple of times a wekk with a good instructor will work wonders |
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Post by flo1 on Jul 5, 2012 14:23:37 GMT
Agree with the posters above. Ditch the draw reins...they won't solve anything. You won't improve her head carriage that way. There are no quick fix solutions to your mare's way of going...schooling is what is needed here, for both of you. Get some lessons from a qualified instructor, they can teach you excercises to help you and your mare. No disrespect to your Mum who I'm sure can ride fine, but I've been riding for more than 40+ years so am aware that I've got 40+ years worth of faults that I've picked up along the way Better to get someone that can look at you in an impartial way, you'll learn more, I promise. |
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Post by speedysally on Jul 5, 2012 17:26:33 GMT
thanks all for your horrible, offensive comments. telling my mother that she really does need some lessons cannot even be put into a "nice way" at all, very harsh. yeah, i know, it was a bad pic but i'd rather my mum who can ride school my horse and get lessons... sorry she's not a millionaire and can afford lessons! only asked for advice on my horse, not my mum.
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Post by speedysally on Jul 5, 2012 17:32:56 GMT
mods please delete before i get very angry and before this gets out of hand!
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Post by lisadundee on Jul 5, 2012 17:40:20 GMT
You have had some good feedback there especially off brindlerainbow, I'm not sure why your taking offence you have come on a public forum asking advice but when the obvious advice is given that you need lessons you say you don't because you have your mum which begs the question why are you asking us then? I've been riding 27 years and and am a very experienced rider but i love my lessons, there's ALWAYS MORE TO LEARN! Grow up and take the advice there's nothing offensive been said!
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Post by crazychick on Jul 5, 2012 17:47:12 GMT
Why have you come on here and asked for opinions if your mum can sort all your problems anyway?
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Post by sarahp on Jul 5, 2012 17:51:33 GMT
People are only trying to help you with no offence intended. It was you who brought your mum into it, and I agree with lisadundee that there is always more to learn - and I was riding for about 55 years before having to give up! It's not the length of time that matters - I'm well aware that many young riders know far more than I ever shall - but the receptivity of the brain. My last instructor was probably no older than my daughter but I bow to her superior skill and knowledge.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Jul 5, 2012 17:58:00 GMT
Thank you Lisadundee I too think the OP has had good advice from all the replies. Im a bit confused now though as to why advice was asked for if the OP's mother who can "ride" is able to school the horse, surely she will have the answers as to why the horse is constantly above the bit and will be able to school it sufficiently and sort the problem out...... |
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Post by speedysally on Jul 5, 2012 18:11:36 GMT
hahaha you pathetic bunch can carry on with the nastiness but i'm not commenting anymore, you're not worth my time to be honest!
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Post by lisadundee on Jul 5, 2012 18:12:28 GMT
My point exactly, my mum Is 52 and has been riding since she was 5 and she is a confident rider and up until about 5 year ago would get on anything hot, our hanoverian stallion could try it on and she would ride him all day long but she can not school and probably doesn't know what a diagonal is! She's very experienced and runs our livery yard but ask her to do a serpentine and shed burst out laughing and hack to the local for half a pint lol but she's a good rider in her own way, always seems to calm the prancy spooky types right down  |
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Post by lisadundee on Jul 5, 2012 18:13:27 GMT
hahaha you pathetic bunch can carry on with the nastiness but i'm not commenting anymore, you're not worth my time to be honest! lol I think it's safe to say it was the other way round, good luck, you will need it with an attitude like that! Pmsl |
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Post by speedysally on Jul 5, 2012 18:13:45 GMT
People are only trying to help you with no offence intended. It was you who brought your mum into it, and I agree with lisadundee that there is always more to learn - and I was riding for about 55 years before having to give up! It's not the length of time that matters - I'm well aware that many young riders know far more than I ever shall - but the receptivity of the brain. My last instructor was probably no older than my daughter but I bow to her superior skill and knowledge. yeah i definitely understand this! wasn't aimed at lisadundee at all! |
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Post by speedysally on Jul 5, 2012 18:14:50 GMT
Why have you come on here and asked for opinions if your mum can sort all your problems anyway? yeah she can, but just wanted to know if there's any other suggestions that we hadn't have thought of! |
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 5, 2012 18:56:36 GMT
hahaha you pathetic bunch can carry on with the nastiness but i'm not commenting anymore, you're not worth my time to be honest! ;D |
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Post by speedysally on Jul 5, 2012 19:01:01 GMT
right, as you can tell, i was VERY frustrated, don't honestly mind when anyone comments on my riding but when it's about my mum, then i am very overprotective, im pretty sure everyone feels the same about their parent(s)
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Post by lisadundee on Jul 5, 2012 19:05:44 GMT
right, as you can tell, i was VERY frustrated, don't honestly mind when anyone comments on my riding but when it's about my mum, then i am very overprotective, im pretty sure everyone feels the same about their parent(s) yea but no one said any thing bad about your mum, you said there was basically no point in having lessons because your mum has been riding a long time and ur would be a waste of money!! and all people are saying is it doesn't matter how long your mums been riding or how experienced your mum is NO ONE (not just your mum) is above learning! There's always something new to learn! Your the one who has taken offence when there was no offence to be taken! |
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Post by piaffe on Jul 5, 2012 19:08:17 GMT
ohh dear. When you ask a question you are opening yourself up to peoples opinions. Some you will like some you wont. Some may be correct some may be wrong. They are opinions, peoples personal opinions. I doubt any one ever means to offend. Just opinions differ. I never understand why people ask for advice then get upset when they get it   |
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Post by speedysally on Jul 5, 2012 19:28:16 GMT
okay i totally understand that now! :-)
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Post by piaffe on Jul 5, 2012 19:36:07 GMT
good. No one was trying to be nasty just trying to help. But I know we are all protective of our Mums and that's a nice thing |
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Post by speedysally on Jul 5, 2012 19:39:11 GMT
oh good :-) and i know yeah! love my mum! haha :-D
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