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Post by pcoosa on Jul 5, 2012 21:33:40 GMT
I am starting a young of breaking a youngster which bit would be recommended
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Post by amy on Jul 5, 2012 21:42:43 GMT
I am using a happy mouth to get her used to the bit as they are soft and depending how strong she is on that im then Going to decide what to use next. Saying this I am only long reining etc at the moment x
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Post by sarahp on Jul 6, 2012 3:41:04 GMT
One that is gentle, suited to the individual mouth conformation and loose and "floppy" to encourage chewing and salivating in the early stages of mouthing - this is why breaking bits used to have keys on, some still use them. I go for a double jointed snaffle, ideally a loose ring rather than an egbert.
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Post by brt on Jul 6, 2012 10:16:13 GMT
If it's just to get the horse to mouth and not be ridden in, i use a waterford.
They are loose ring, very flexible and the horse can play with it, mine look like they have swallowed washing up liquid after 10 minutes!
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Post by rubydoo on Jul 6, 2012 12:51:08 GMT
i like to used something with a french link
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Post by Kaseyleigh on Jul 6, 2012 16:18:10 GMT
Fulmer Mouthing Bit With Keys works wonders with all mine.
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Post by sarahp on Jul 7, 2012 7:42:02 GMT
Never thought of using a waterford! It could be used gently to explain the action of the bit to the pony in the stable too I suppose but I'd agree, not to work in.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jul 7, 2012 8:19:34 GMT
I started mine in a copper french link, now justusing a standard eggbutt fulmer for steering and seems to suit him, i have mouthed mine in the past with magic bits aka cambridge snaffles, i find the rubber/nylon ones encourage chewing and can become quite sharp where chewed, i will never use a HAPPY mouth again after they tore my mares mouth, the plastic bit made her very sore and split the sides of her mouth, Dentist advised me to use the thinnest french link snaffle i could get as had fleshy lips, funnily enough the same one i used to mouth fred.
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Post by pollypocket on Jul 7, 2012 8:24:37 GMT
I use a straight bar happy mouth..
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Post by GinaGeo on Jul 7, 2012 8:25:16 GMT
I used a loose ring straight bar mouthing bit with keys for the initial mouthing and the beginning of his education. He moved into a loose ring with a copper lozenge after that for long lining and riding. He's still in it now and is very happy in it  |
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Post by brt on Jul 7, 2012 8:36:08 GMT
There no movement in a straight nylon bit Jenna, i would use something that he can move about in his mouth and play with x
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Post by sarahp on Jul 7, 2012 9:33:21 GMT
Totally agree. I hate those straight nylon so called "showing" bits and won't use them. Mine have a double joined snaffle, as above, on their in hand bridles which has never been a problem in the ring. I suspect that many IH showing people just stick in the nylon one and expect them to know about bits and get on with it - I try to mouth them and educate them to the use of a bit before showing in a bridle and bit. Comes of being a rider as well as a breeder I suppose.
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Post by missfuturex on Jul 7, 2012 9:40:49 GMT
I've never had problem with my youngsters in straight bar nylon bit until the youngster we have now n he hates it so will resort to a link this time think u have to go with what they like so not to cause to much trauma and fuss
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Post by sarahp on Jul 7, 2012 10:05:16 GMT
But when mouthing them it's not just about what they tolerate but of getting them to fiddle with the bit and salivate, they have to learn to do that first before anything else. I found that in the straight nylon ones they just held it and didn't do anything with it. Either that or tried to spit it out because they hated it! Not the same thing as mouthing at all!
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Post by missfuturex on Jul 7, 2012 19:40:51 GMT
Yep that is what happened with this one; we have shown youngsters in these at top level and have gone on to make top ridden horses with lovely mouths but this one a little different.
Breaking we like to use NS starter always soft n they seem to
Love it
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Post by fliffkins on Jul 11, 2012 22:14:04 GMT
French Link happy mouth, 12 years on he's still in the same bit (well, not the exact same on!)
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Post by smiggs on Jul 12, 2012 13:07:15 GMT
My youngster is in a straight bar nylon bit and mouths up lovely on it :-)
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Post by hch4971 on Jul 12, 2012 14:31:08 GMT
I've just started my Section A in a copper double jointed snaffle with a lozenge rather than a link, because they are round edged rather than straight. I also went for eggbutt rather than loose ring because I have a thing about pinching, from having a youngster professionally broken some years ago, that I just can't seem to get over. Our boy has settled really well to it and is mouthing well. I think it is nice that people are actually thinking about what they put in a youngsters mouth although trying to identify suitable bits is like a minefield and very much down to personal preference and experience.
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Post by elmere on Jul 13, 2012 9:10:20 GMT
I've just started my Section A in a copper double jointed snaffle with a lozenge rather than a link, because they are round edged rather than straight. I also went for eggbutt rather than loose ring because I have a thing about pinching, from having a youngster professionally broken some years ago, that I just can't seem to get over. Our boy has settled really well to it and is mouthing well. I think it is nice that people are actually thinking about what they put in a youngsters mouth although trying to identify suitable bits is like a minefield and very much down to personal preference and experience. Not all loose rings pinch, you just have to pick the right one. |
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Post by sarahp on Jul 13, 2012 9:47:31 GMT
I can understand that once pinched, twice shy though!
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Post by GinaGeo on Jul 13, 2012 19:30:27 GMT
I used to worry about pinching, and always used Eggbutts - but non of mine have suffered for years now and work much more softly in loose rings, they mouthe on them more and soften their jaw nicely in them |
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Post by hch4971 on Jul 14, 2012 0:04:21 GMT
I used to worry about pinching, and always used Eggbutts - but non of mine have suffered for years now and work much more softly in loose rings, they mouthe on them more and soften their jaw nicely in them I had always used them without a problem until I went to see the pony working and his mouth was raw, I haven't used one since. I realise this was down to bad choice on the trainers part but it has really put me off - perhaps it is time I tried to deal with it because they do seem to make a difference to how the horse accepts the bit. Having said that I won't use single jointed snaffles either, I think I have more bit issues than my horses! |
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Post by elmere on Jul 14, 2012 7:48:27 GMT
I find its the cheaper versions of loose rings that tend to rub, I pick out the ones with the attachment where the ring goes through a tube or the more expensive bits like the NS design it so it doesnt pinch.
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Post by GinaGeo on Jul 14, 2012 18:16:24 GMT
I used to worry about pinching, and always used Eggbutts - but non of mine have suffered for years now and work much more softly in loose rings, they mouthe on them more and soften their jaw nicely in them I had always used them without a problem until I went to see the pony working and his mouth was raw, I haven't used one since. I realise this was down to bad choice on the trainers part but it has really put me off - perhaps it is time I tried to deal with it because they do seem to make a difference to how the horse accepts the bit. Having said that I won't use single jointed snaffles either, I think I have more bit issues than my horses! I don't like single jointed bits either as a rule, but my horse does... So had to change my mind on that one too- saying that I always start with a Lozenge or French Link. At the end of the day the horse is the only bitting expert! |
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Post by dappledgreypony on Jul 14, 2012 20:00:46 GMT
Fulmer bit - we've had many a horse of ours in a fulmer & it's a good starting point. The side bars are good for steerage, you can brake in it & it's nice & soft in their mouth. This especially good if you give them one with a french link in it so it gives the youngsters something to 'naw' at. As GinaGeo said, once you've discovered what their mouth is like etc, you need a bit that suits the horse. We've had horses that you could only ride in one bit, as they were excellent on it it but - if you were to change it - could suddenley turn very strong to the point of nasty. Good luck,
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Post by carrie17491 on Jul 18, 2012 12:02:40 GMT
i put mine in a full cheek french link with copper rollers, she loved it. Anyone got any tips on what they used for their smaller (section a) ponies?
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Post by gooogle on Jul 29, 2012 11:58:45 GMT
Hi I start mine in a loose ring french link with biscuits on. This eliminates the risk of pinching and provides in a smaller way the action of a fulmer. Teaches them that yawing or opening the mouth won't remove your steering!
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