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Post by cayo on Aug 9, 2012 18:05:17 GMT
HOME PRODUCED CLASSES – These classes are open to horses and ponies that have been stabled at home (without any paid assistance) or kept at livery on a DIY basis since 1st January 2012. Horses / ponies must not have been shown or trained by a professional Producer or kept at full livery at any time during this period (except for service in the case of Brood Mares). To be owned/kept, produced, ridden/handled by a person who does not derive their main income from working with horses/ponies. It is anticipated that exhibitors will enter in the true spirit of this competition. RESTRICTED CLASSES – These classes are open to HORSES, PONIES AND RIDERS that have not qualified for the Royal International Horse Show, the Horse of the Year or Olympia in 2011 or 2012 before the date of Equifest. This includes horses, ponies and riders that have qualified for Search For A Star in 2011 or 2012. NOVICE CLASSES – These classes are open to horses and ponies that have not won a first prize at any affiliated Show in an open classification on or before the 1st January in the current year. AMATEUR CLASSES – These classes are restricted to exhibitors who do not: a) Engage in breeding, livery, buying, selling or dealing in a commercial capacity. b) Receive remuneration for employment in the connection with horses in racing, showing, livery or riding school. c) Show a horse owned or sponsored by a company or commercial firm. d) On the day when an exhibit is competing in an Amateur class, Professionals are not allowed to ride or work in the relevant animal. No Professional Producers are allowed into the ring to groom/strip the horse. AFFILIATED SHOWS – For the purpose of this schedule, an Affiliated Show means a show that has been affiliated to any of the following Societies: BSPS, P(UK), NPS, BSHA, SHB(GB), NCPA, CHAPS, BSPA, VHS, 15+ Horse & Pony Society, AHS, Equifest, or any recognised Breed Society. MOUNTAIN & MOORLAND CLASSES – For the purpose of this schedule, just thought i would put these up so people can be sure of the rules in these classes as it seemed that many wernt last year  |
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Post by jacksprat on Aug 9, 2012 18:17:59 GMT
wasting your breath cayo, there are always people out there who bend the rules
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Post by cayo on Aug 9, 2012 21:33:39 GMT
I was truely disgusted last year at some the entrants who claimed to be home produced and amateur such a shame for true hp and am competitors why should they feel the need to do these classes aimed at non pros ect very sad state of affairs .
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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 9, 2012 22:30:38 GMT
I saw some that didnt adhere to these rules also but enless people put their money down nothing gets done :-(
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Post by cayo on Aug 10, 2012 7:58:19 GMT
I saw some that didnt adhere to these rules also but enless people put their money down nothing gets done :-( really thats such a shame  |
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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 10, 2012 8:07:38 GMT
I saw some that didnt adhere to these rules also but enless people put their money down nothing gets done :-( really thats such a shame Personally it doesnt effect me as I am not competing and wasn't last year either but what are people suppose to do??? Any time anybody does complain its sour grapes!! |
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Post by cayo on Aug 10, 2012 9:14:10 GMT
Personally it doesnt effect me as I am not competing and wasn't last year either but what are people suppose to do??? Any time anybody does complain its sour grapes!!
Your so right its almost always the case perhaps better that people object before the class if they see ineligable entrants in classes in the catalouge ,is that allowed ?
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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 10, 2012 9:23:35 GMT
Last year in the restricted classes someone must have made a complaint while the class was running. If I remember rightly the person pulled in top got asked to leave as the rider had ridden at hoys I think. They then went down the lines in all the classes afterwards asking everybody if they or their horse had ever been to hoys/ri ect. Quite a few ended up coming out so yes I suppose you could lodge a complaint before hand as wether they win or not if they shouldn't be in the class they should be asked to leave.
On the other hand though if a complaint is lodged fo a hp class surely you would have to have proof there and then or the said person should still be able to compete while it is being 'looked in to' then if the complaint is upheld they would be strippped of their placing??
Hope that makes sense??
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Post by fairleykismet on Aug 10, 2012 12:20:32 GMT
HOME PRODUCED CLASSES – These classes are open to horses and ponies that have been stabled at home (without any paid assistance) or kept at livery on a DIY basis since 1st January 2012. Horses / ponies must not have been shown or trained by a professional Producer or kept at full livery at any time during this period (except for service in the case of Brood Mares). To
be owned/kept, produced, ridden/handled by a person who does not derive their main income
from working with horses/ponies. It is anticipated that exhibitors will enter in the true spirit of this competition. RESTRICTED CLASSES – These classes are open to HORSES, PONIES AND RIDERS that have not qualified for the Royal International Horse Show, the Horse of the Year or Olympia in 2011 or 2012 before the date of Equifest. This includes horses, ponies and riders that have qualified for Search For A Star in 2011 or 2012. NOVICE CLASSES – These classes are open to horses and ponies that have not won a first prize at any affiliated Show in an open classification on or before the 1st January in the current year. AMATEUR CLASSES – These classes are restricted to exhibitors who do not: a) Engage in breeding, livery, buying, selling or dealing in a commercial capacity. b) Receive remuneration for employment in the connection with horses in racing, showing, livery or riding school. c) Show a horse owned or sponsored by a company or commercial firm. d) On the day when an exhibit is competing in an Amateur class, Professionals are not allowed to ride or work in the relevant animal. No Professional Producers are allowed into the ring to groom/strip the horse. AFFILIATED SHOWS – For the purpose of this schedule, an Affiliated Show means a show that has been affiliated to any of the following Societies: BSPS, P(UK), NPS, BSHA, SHB(GB), NCPA, CHAPS, BSPA, VHS, 15+ Horse & Pony Society, AHS, Equifest, or any recognised Breed Society. MOUNTAIN & MOORLAND CLASSES – For the purpose of this schedule, just thought i would put these up so people can be sure of the rules in these classes as it seemed that many wernt last year Im not going to Equifest or have ever competed there so I am just asking these questions purely for my own answers..... Regarding the HP if the person works full time but may do a little riding for others every now and again for a little bit of cash would they be eligable for the HP class? I only ask because it says ' derive their main income from working with horses/ponies'? ...... Also Regarding the Amateur classes.... Ive bred 2 of my own ponies, 1 who i still have and another who i had to sell 3 years ago..... Would that make in ineligable because ive engaged in breeding? As I say i only ask just out of curiosity and you may get certain competitors thinking the same... |
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Post by cayo on Aug 10, 2012 12:42:54 GMT
Im not going to Equifest or have ever competed there so I am just asking these questions purely for my own answers.....
Regarding the HP if the person works full time but may do a little riding for others every now and again for a little bit of cash would they be eligable for the HP class? I only ask because it says ' derive their main income from working with horses/ponies'? ......
Also Regarding the Amateur classes.... Ive bred 2 of my own ponies, 1 who i still have and another who i had to sell 3 years ago..... Would that make in ineligable because ive engaged in breeding?
As I say i only ask just out of curiosity and you may get certain competitors thinking the same...
I would think yes to hp but not sure as to rule on breeding in am classes i would like to think yes unless you did breed a number each year for sale maybe someone else can clarify ?
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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 10, 2012 13:40:07 GMT
IMO anyone who rides for other people at shows should not be hp and also if they get other people to ride theirs at home wether they are being paid or not! Their are enough genuine hp people that just ride their own animals for pleasure and dont show anybody elses!!
On the breeding front for the am classes I wouldnt have a clue!!
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Post by famponies on Aug 10, 2012 14:06:30 GMT
Having read the equifest rules I dispute that if you ride unpaid for someone else at shows you cant do home produced:-
HOME PRODUCED CLASSES – These classes are open to horses and ponies that have been
stabled at home (without any paid assistance) or kept at livery on a DIY basis since 1st January
2012. Horses / ponies must not have been shown or trained by a professional Producer or kept
at full livery at any time during this period (except for service in the case of Brood Mares). To
be owned/kept, produced, ridden/handled by a person who does not derive their main income
from working with horses/ponies. It is anticipated that exhibitors will enter in the true spirit of
this competition
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Post by fairleykismet on Aug 10, 2012 14:26:52 GMT
But the hp rule says Derive their MAIN income..... so does that mean if you have a full/part time job which is your main income and then maybe get paid for doing a little schooling etc every now and again your eligable to enter hp classes?
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Post by elsie on Aug 10, 2012 14:29:43 GMT
I think Equifest have made the rules very clear, last year there was confusion in the Restricted class becuase normally restricted only applies to the pony/horse but Equifest have made it clear it is also the RIDER who must be restricted.
I think there was a very sharp eyed steward last year who intervened in the M&M classes, a shame however it wasn't made clear in all classes. I believe some class winners from other sections were not ridden by restricted RIDERS.
Hopefully this year everyone will be aware of the rules.
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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 10, 2012 16:18:24 GMT
But the hp rule says Derive their MAIN income..... so does that mean if you have a full/part time job which is your main income and then maybe get paid for doing a little schooling etc every now and again your eligable to enter hp classes? Its all a very fine line. So if someone owns a yard and has a partner that has a great job with fab wages then they can say that the yard (with liveries of course) isn't their main source of income?  Where do you draw the line? Basically it just cuts out the main producers. |
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Post by bigmama on Aug 10, 2012 17:38:37 GMT
Last year @ Equifest in the Restricted Highland class, somebody from outside the ring who had no vested interest in the class, knew that the person drawn first after the go round was not eligible for restricted classes and so she reported it to the show organisers whilst the class was still in the ring resulting in not only the top of the line but several others all leaving the ring and i understand that this happened in subsequent classes too
So please dont think that nobody listens or nothing gets done cos it does if you tell the organisers there's a problem they will see to it promptly
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Post by fruity on Aug 10, 2012 19:13:41 GMT
Perhaps therefore it is worth reviewing the catalogue in advance and if you you know for sure an entrant in an HP class isn't genuine its worth raising it - it sounds like equifest do all they can to uphold their rules.
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Post by bleanwoodro on Aug 10, 2012 19:43:08 GMT
with home produced and amateur im pretty sure equifest have to accept the entries as jockies or wat can be changed and if they go in the ring then you can complain, i was impressed last year with catching people out and if people feel the need to cheat and compete against us amateurs says alot about the professionals, so i really wouldnt worry untill a problem does occur and equifest have a great team im sure it will get sorted. xx
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Post by mcnaughty on Aug 10, 2012 20:46:31 GMT
Perhaps the question should religiously be asked as horses are pulled out ie how old is your pony, are you truly a HP?? It might make people stop and think if they are made to look the judge in the eye!
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Post by melons on Aug 10, 2012 21:26:42 GMT
we had entered our fell townend patience before she qualified for the ri, I have since withdrawn her but she will still be catalogued I imagine
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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 10, 2012 21:29:21 GMT
we had entered our fell townend patience before she qualified for the ri, I have since withdrawn her but she will still be catalogued I imagine I think people will totally understand that melons :-) |
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Post by fruity on Aug 11, 2012 9:14:11 GMT
Agree with mcnaughty - be interesting to see how things turn out in the ring if the questions is asked.
It is interesting this year to see how many professional producers are turning out for Equifest; its obviously gained in prestige but I hope that doesn't change the show too much and hope it still something us amateur / HP people can enjoy
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Where do you draw the line? Basically it just cuts out the main producers.
