separate stallions and mares in HOYS classes?

[sarah14]

dont you think it would be alot better if stallions didnt compete against mares and geldings in HOYS qualifiers, from what i have seen in the top 6 there are usallly about 4 or 5 stallions to me personally thats not fair. a stallion has presence a cresty neck. where as a mare can be the same just without the neck and when they do have a neck there bellies are usally trailing on the floor.

[essendy]

Sarah14 Im not sure which Breed classes you have been watching but the classes Ive been in the Geldingsand Mares have held their own against both Stallions . They have also won reguarly too.

[iluvmyponies]

IMO, no. Just because a pony is entire doesn't mean it will do a better show, have better confirmation or be a better example of the breed/type.

[Guestless]

A stallion has more influence on breeding than a mare due to the fact he can sire several foals in a year as opposed to the mare's one foal. Therefore, IMO, it stands to reason that they should be particularly good examples of their breed so it's no surprise if they are often up the top of the line.

Having said that, they can be much more easily distracted so it takes a bit of skill to produce them well.

If you don't want to compete against them, then stick to junior ridden.

[misterben]

Having ridden several stallions, I promise you it can be quite a disadvantage as they're not always the easiest to show! Stallions should be of the highest quality, and in many cases have to pass a grading to allow them to remain so. There are lots of mares out there doing well, Wyken Lady Jasmine, Kentchurch Charity, to name just a couple. Surely we don't want to be diluting the classes at hoys. It remains one of the few shows that hasn't been!

[sarah14]

Im out of juniour ridden now.. And my mare is a hoys contender so i was just stating my opinion i have a stallion sec b who im breaking and producing at present, he is a laid back larry compared to her although alot of stallions are difficult mares are just as. Just depends doesnt it x

[Guestless]

Aug 17, 2012 9:51:28 GMT sarah14 said:

Im out of juniour ridden now..

You must have the wrong age on your profile then.

[welshcob1969]

A good example of a breed is just that, it shouldn't matter whether it is mare, gelding or stallion. I havn't noticed stallions being placed higher than mares or geldings, just because they are stallions and more cresty in the ridden classes I've been in. Alot of horses are kept as stallions which are not good enough to breed from, there are quite often better geldings in the classes than stallions in my opinion. I think the classes should be kept just as they are.

[sarah14]

i agree with what your saying there welshcob1969.. imo i think they should be separate like they do at the royal welsh but thats just me inneh.

[misterben]

I think the Royal Welsh is a bit different! It's the Welsh show. They don't split the hoys qualifier. I agree that there are maybe too many stallions around in certain breeds where perhaps it should be more difficult to obtain a licenceperhaps guess that's a different argument! I've also seen ponies that have failed the grading system and I've struggled to understand why!! Good job I'm not a judge perhaps!!!

[tootell111]

i know its not a HOYS class but....
I was at Equifest the other day, and my pony was secound (WHP) the day before in the same course, and my boy went clear and went fluently round and then a STALION was placed 4TH! and he TROTTED round and was placed 4TH! And my boy was placed 7th! im not complaining but how does a NOVICE STALLION who TROTS round the course beats a pony that fluently canters round???

[mcw]

Tbh, I think it's pointless and wastes time seen as you'd be competing against them at the HOYS final anyway. If your pony is good enough, your pony will win.

[girly]

Aug 20, 2012 12:34:34 GMT tootell111 said:

i know its not a HOYS class but....
I was at Equifest the other day, and my pony was secound (WHP) the day before in the same course, and my boy went clear and went fluently round and then a STALION was placed 4TH! and he TROTTED round and was placed 4TH! And my boy was placed 7th! im not complaining but how does a NOVICE STALLION who TROTS round the course beats a pony that fluently canters round???

try looking at the under 122cm m&m whp and often ponies who trot a lot and are ridden by small children get good jumping marks but the bigger ponies who trot as much get bad jumping marks from the same judge.