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Post by watchbank on Aug 23, 2012 18:33:48 GMT
Get some draw reins on and have him lunged without you on first then when he goes well, get on and have your mum lunge him this way he cannot get up in the air with the draw reins on. I asked a question very similar a while back, i had a mare sold to me and they said she was coldbacked but turned out the saddle they sold her with was not fitted correctly and she soon learnt if she reared up or bronked she got me off and didnt have to do anything and i corrected it with the draw reins and shes not done it for months now or even though about it! Good luck x
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Post by lillicob on Aug 23, 2012 19:48:10 GMT
Personally wouldn't recommend draw reins, potentially dangerous with a horse that knows how to rear. You want the horse to have no time to be thinking about going upwards, instead going forwards, draw reins aren't the best tool for that.
I'd be more prone to using the circling trick.
I would get a second opinion re saddle and physio/chiro, horses don't suddenly start rearing for no reason.
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Post by donkeydo on Aug 23, 2012 19:55:21 GMT
I would definately NOT use draw reins!!! I would get your horses back checked by your vet eg Xray! Before physio/chiro/teeth/saddle etc they can't see inside to see what may be going on. I speak from experience on this one x
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Post by gillwales on Aug 23, 2012 20:06:05 GMT
You should use a standing martingale at the least. To be honest I dont care if the horse does have a bad back there is no excuse for a horse to rear. Please do not ride on the road until you sort out this problem. Find someone who can sit him and give him a good swish from behind, this is really naughty and extremely dangerous. Please do not take risks, your safety is more important than any horse.
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Post by GinaGeo on Aug 23, 2012 21:20:03 GMT
Rearing is dangerous and scary. First of all sort out pain - a horse is fright and flight animal, some horse's are very stoic and don't ehibit their pain openly - others do. The only saddle fitting expert is the horse, if he's telling you something is wrong listen to him.
Once that's sorted then the best advice is to not put yourself in the situation where the horse will rear. Keep everything forward, don't put too much metal in their mouth and if they ever do threaten to stand up, any way is better than up, so turn, distract and then push forwards.
If it's a nappiness issue then I would deal with it from the ground with long lines, you can keep on pushing forward without concerns for your own safety that way. If the horse goes high, you can actually hold a horse up there and give him a slight scare with long lines when he loses the power to dictate to you what he does. With some it's enough to put them off. Not recommended on any sort of hard surface though, in case they do come over.
Good luck, rearers I think are the worst and certainly one of the most dangerous habits a horse can have.
ETA: Don't know what he has in his mouth, but I'd go for as little as possible so he's not scared to forward. A nice frnechlink/lozenge loose ring snaffle would probably be best.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Aug 23, 2012 21:43:38 GMT
sounds awfully scary be careful what ever you do, i hear the old crack a egg on thier head works well, old method makes them think they have hit their head and bleeding apparantly, never used it myself but know of some who have ......... make sure all other avenues of discomfort dealt with first before resorting to this .....
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Post by lisadundee on Aug 23, 2012 22:02:31 GMT
I had this with my D stallion and replied to another thread on here much the same as yours but couldn't find it to send you the link. I had a bit specialist out and put a standing martingale on him which stopped him getting the height as he went over backward on two occasions, when I had eliminated any pain and it came down to outright napping once I stopped him getting the height it was a case of sitting quiet and giving him a right good smacked backside at the right minute and he soon learned it was a no no, I then gradually loosened the martingale until it was no longer needed and took it off. The good thing about a standing martingale is it will only come in to action if it's needed and if his head goes above that certain point and if he's a good boy it won't affect him. However I'd stick him on the lunge or long rein him in one first time just so he gets the feel of it. I think draw reins are a no go and your more likely to pull him over backwards on you with draw reins if your not quick enough to balance your self x
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Post by kayleigh on Aug 23, 2012 22:13:22 GMT
Another good tip is to have someone walking behind you,....at a safe distance obviously. This person has to be quick and ready to react and armed with something that's throwable and noisy, bunches of old keys, bunches of bells, etc. the second he starts to go up these noisy things get thrown at the ground just behind his back feet. idea is to give him a shock and drive him forwards instead of up. Infact im betting a loud whistle and a powerful water pistol would do the same thing....just think anything to make him jump forwards. then trot away, I'd also try and make a sharp stern noise whilst doing this, like a growl or a "uh" so that eventually the noise should be enough to stop him
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Post by missbananas on Aug 23, 2012 22:46:03 GMT
Get physio/chiropractor/vet AND dentist, if he has a problem high up in his mouth that could cause this. Gillwales has a point it's not really an excuse to rear but it is a reason. Definitely use long lines to address the problem before you get on it is not worth the risk to yourself also like you said he's learnt to make you fall so continuing to allow him to bury you reinforces this notion.
Be really careful and don't work him by yourself just in case it goes wrong!!!
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Post by sageandonion on Aug 24, 2012 13:53:11 GMT
Call a vet and get a diagnosis. No chiropractor, physio or anyone else other than a vet can diagnose and anyone decent will not treat your horse without consulting a vet. It is beyond me how anyone can 'correct' half a tonne of horse with back pain.
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Post by sarahp on Aug 24, 2012 14:41:44 GMT
I have seen our properly qualifed equine physio do it lots of times! Check various points and note when horse flinches or otherwise shows signs of pain. Physio treats horse. Checks the same spots on the horse and now has a happy, relaxed patient who couldn't care a toss. As a sufferer of aches and pains myself I know that the muscles set solid round a problem, causing pain and stiffness. Physio treatment loosens them back again, but problem must be solved if possible (not with me, permanently damaged back) or the muscles will set solid again to protect the damage. A simplification I admit, but that's the gist of it. And she only treats on vets' referral, which mine are very happy to do when they think it indicated.
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Post by sageandonion on Aug 24, 2012 15:08:13 GMT
I wish they could cure three of my friends from their sciatica pain just like that then.
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Post by Kaseyleigh on Aug 24, 2012 15:11:43 GMT
i had a mare that loved to rear just for fun to see if she could frighten me everything was checked it was just her being a witch i used a market harbour and everytime she went to go up i would put my hand down to my knee and give her 3 strikes behind the saddle to send her forward this did work and it doesnt restrict her head in anyway.
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Post by sarah14 on Aug 24, 2012 15:16:24 GMT
Crack an egg when your on him and he keeps rearing he will think he has hurt himself.
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Post by Milliesmum on Aug 24, 2012 15:23:22 GMT
Your horse is trying to tell you something. Horses do not rear for fun, nor just to be naughty or 'because they can'.
Have back checked again. Have a qualified saddle fitter out and make sure he is comfortable in his tack. Get teeth checked.
If he was previously well behaved, there is a reason why he is doing this.
And make sure you wear hat, gloves, body protector when riding and handling him.
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Post by Kaseyleigh on Aug 24, 2012 15:32:15 GMT
My mare was fully checked did this with previous owner because knew she would get off as soon as she reared so the can do it through being naughty my horse was completely checked brand new saddle snaffle in her mouth but she would nap and rear so tell me why she would do that then if shes has been confirmed sound by vet, physio, dentist, farrier everyone.
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Post by rubydoo on Aug 24, 2012 16:14:28 GMT
I'd have the dentist out even if its not long since he was last checked , he's obvs unhappy and can't communicate this so is backing away from pain or discomfort . Could also be the bit. , horse may prefer it lower ? Or the mouthpeice mght not suit this horse. If this continues after pain is ruled out , I'd take a few steps back in education back on the lunge ! I'm not a fan of draw reins they're too restrictive . Good luck
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Post by sarahp on Aug 24, 2012 16:21:56 GMT
S&O - that's probably pain from the nerve then, equivalent to a wobbler rather than a horse with a bad back through say badly fitting saddle, or in my case, a degenerate disc, which causes the muscles to lock up. I know all about nerve pain first hand, had an op on my neck a couple of months ago for a trapped nerve which was unbelievably painful, I was on every painkiller known to man up to and including liquid morphine, all of which hardly touched it. It needed 1 1/2 hours of a neurosurgeon chipping away bone and chopping off bits of disc to sort that out. But in both species those are the exceptions. Have you yourself never been to a physio for treatment?
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Post by parsnip on Aug 28, 2012 13:35:06 GMT
Please be careful with draw reins - I know someone who did this thinking they'd 'cure' a rearing pony and it flipped over completely - actually threw itself backwards. how she got away alive I don't know.
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Post by carrie17491 on Aug 28, 2012 13:52:12 GMT
Crack an egg when your on him and he keeps rearing he will think he has hurt himself. please don't do this. Having ridden a rearer and almost have it come back ontop of me I know how dangerous it is. I for one wouldn't put ANYTHING on the horse, standing martingale etc. I would rule out all the obivous, then check things such as habitual changes, feed/diet. Then maybe turn him away for a few months. Some horses need this after being broken in as it can all be too much for them. Once a horse has a pain associated with something it's very hard for them to realise it isn't actually hurting them! |
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Post by ssm on Aug 28, 2012 14:24:37 GMT
Is your cob out with any other horses, change of horses?
My boy has learnt to do this playing with his young half brother, and although it is not a game it is an now an evasion to doing something when he is scared - we had young cows startle him and he went up, at Derby he went fully up when he was scared of the tractors towing the lorries on and off the field. I just have to push him on, his back, teeth and saddle have all been checked.
As for cracking the egg, I cannot fathom how anyone has the skill to carry the egg and then to actually have the balance and dexterity to crack the thing over the horses head, I prefer the self preservation mode of getting the bugger down as quickley as possible!
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Post by nagsrus on Aug 29, 2012 22:17:01 GMT
get your right hand behind you knee (holding the reins) this way he won't be able to get up in the air
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Post by bethanyy on Aug 29, 2012 22:25:07 GMT
As for cracking the egg, I cannot fathom how anyone has the skill to carry the egg and then to actually have the balance and dexterity to crack the thing over the horses head, I prefer the self preservation mode of getting the bugger down as quickley as possible! Haha my thoughts entirely! Didn't realise it was normal to carry an egg in my pocket when I ride! |
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Post by workingcob on Aug 30, 2012 17:10:28 GMT
Please do NOT try the "egg on head" trick (or any of its variants - the handle of a whip, for example, or breaking a bottle of water!) it is incredibly dangerous.
You have done the right thing by checking for pain-related issues, but you could be right that he has learnt that rearing is an effective way of unseating you and avoiding work. I'm afraid welsh cobs can be a handful and learn dominance behaviour very quickly when not kept in check - I know several trainers/behaviourists who 'joke' that sec Ds keep them in work!
Other posters are correct in that keeping the horse going forward in some way is the best way to defeat this problem - not to imply at all that this is easy. I find rearers very frightening, having had a mare who stood straight up when napping out hacking, and it takes courage to work through it. If you feel at risk, and unable to do it yourself, find a good trainer (for example an Intelligent Horsemanship recommended associate) who is competent to do it.
Good luck, it's a horrible problem
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Post by speedysally on Aug 30, 2012 18:16:11 GMT
Get some draw reins on and have him lunged without you on first then when he goes well, get on and have your mum lunge him this way he cannot get up in the air with the draw reins on. I asked a question very similar a while back, i had a mare sold to me and they said she was coldbacked but turned out the saddle they sold her with was not fitted correctly and she soon learnt if she reared up or bronked she got me off and didnt have to do anything and i corrected it with the draw reins and shes not done it for months now or even though about it! Good luck x i would have thought draw reins would make the rearing 10x worse as they're restricting the horses head movement?? |
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Post by sarahp on Aug 30, 2012 18:47:07 GMT
Sadly, too many people get Ds believing they are stolid and thick skinned novices cobs, whereas in the majority of cases they are sensitive rather than in any way malignant, and need suitable handling. Make one your friend and partner without allowing any undesirable behaviour and he will be a joy for life, but they can be easily spoiled by unsympathetic treatment.
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Post by LucyHebditch on Aug 30, 2012 18:57:11 GMT
Definitely get the vet out and eliminate all question marks before doing anything!!
Please do not put him in draw reins, that's going to make him 10 times worse and will probably turn himself inside out! But 100% use a standing martingale they are fantastic and i use them on all mine, never had a rearing problem with a single pony I have ridden.
Also, get him in a basic loose ring snaffle and allow him to go forward, no outline just forward.
If that doesn't work you've got a problem.
Vet first though!
Good luck x
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Post by carrie17491 on Aug 30, 2012 20:16:57 GMT
Sadly, too many people get Ds believing they are stolid and thick skinned novices cobs, whereas in the majority of cases they are sensitive rather than in any way malignant, and need suitable handling. Make one your friend and partner without allowing any undesirable behaviour and he will be a joy for life, but they can be easily spoiled by unsympathetic treatment. people who think this couldnt be further from the truth. I think a pure arabian would be closer to that than a d! |
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Post by sarahp on Aug 30, 2012 21:28:53 GMT
I'm not sure which bit of my post you are disagreeing with - the first bit about people believing them to be novices' animals, or the last bit about how they can be if treated correctly!
I have been breeding and bringing them up for over 30 years, and felt that workingcobs' generalisation above does the breed less than justice. A bad workman blames their tools, and I was trying to give a fairer view.
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Post by carrie17491 on Aug 31, 2012 18:13:12 GMT
I'm not sure which bit of my post you are disagreeing with - the first bit about people believing them to be novices' animals, or the last bit about how they can be if treated correctly! I have been breeding and bringing them up for over 30 years, and felt that workingcobs' generalisation above does the breed less than justice. A bad workman blames their tools, and I was trying to give a fairer view. I'm agreeing with the fact that D's are seen as dopey plod cobs, agree totally with you sarahp |
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