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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 28, 2012 16:01:22 GMT
I have an 8 month old dogue de bordoux x staff x pressa and I'm having a bit of trouble with her.
She's a lovely dog, great with the kids, other dogs, horses and when we're with her we don't have a problem. However we are struggling when we go out to work!!!
The most shes ever left is about 4-5 hours, most days its 2-3. When we first got her at 13 weeks we had her in a crate while we were out to try and toilet train her. She started wee'ing in the cage so let her stay in the kitchen, she was still wee'ing and even pooing even if we'd gone out in the garden with her. She will wee on command pretty much but wont poo!!!! She then started trashing the kitchen as she can jump on the work surfaces so we decided to give her the run of the house apart from the bedrooms.
I now have no net curtains as she ripped them down trying to look through the window. She has eaten god knows how many pairs of shoes ect. So now we know just to move everything but she is still wee'ing in the house, normally in the same place on the laminate floor but today shes wee'd upstairs where shes never done it before???
We tell her off ect but it doesnt seem to make a difference!! I'm getting to the point where I dread coming home to the mess she makes and feel really bad as everyones always saying she should be toilet trained by now (I agree with that)
I wad wondering if it may be seperation anxiety as she hates it when we leave and gets stressed and wondered about getting another dog as the chewing ect seems like boredom!! I take her out to the park, she comes to shows and to the yard. She wont wee when we're out!!!
Any help would be really appreciated as I really do love her and shes so well behaved other than this!!
Well done if you got this far lol!!!
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Post by jeanslater on Aug 28, 2012 17:18:05 GMT
Oh dear, what a rod you have created , shes naughty in her cage so you reward her by giving her the run of the kitchen, then shes naughty there so you give her the run of the house!!! you should have bought a bigger cage and out paper at the end of it so she can empty herself on that , if she insisted them on soiling her bed then bed her on shredded paper. Her cage should become her sanctuary, somewhere to chill when you are all out, she may moan, I had one screamed the place down for 1o days until he learnt bed was bed!!! all his toys were put in and it was his place.
Seperation anxiety cant be cured just adapted to suit you, and trying to train a headstrong staffie x , well good luck. You must have ground rules and you must stick to them, every time she is let out of the cage take her out to empty herself, do the same when you come in or when she wakes, its a battle of wills as to who controls who and at the moment shes well in the lead - good luck with her. Be strong!!!!
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Post by hatman on Aug 28, 2012 17:44:49 GMT
My pups have always been cage trained my JRT loved his cage and he always went in it at night and if we were out my lab was not let out of the cage at night or if we were out untill she was dry and clean. She was out of it by 6 months she has not chewed things I think I have been lucky with her she loves to carry around socks.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Aug 28, 2012 17:48:46 GMT
You need to toilet train her properly. By giving her the run of the house and allowing her to use it as a toilet means thats how she see's the house, as a toilet. Toilet training is easy but you need to be consistent and you need to be there to let the dog out at very regular intervals. She is still a young dog and her bladder/bowels are still not that strong, if she needs to go for a wee/poo and there is no one to let her out she has no choice but to do it in the house. When you go out make sure she has chews and toys, a kong filled with treats is good because trying to get them out will keep her occupied. Leave a radio on for her too. You have a cross that is 2 strong willed and, if allowed to be, dominant breeds. At the moment this dog at just 8 months old is the dominant one in your household, you are making the boundaries bigger and bigger until there are no boundaries, she is allowed to use the house as a toilet and is allowed to trash it and chew it!! Puppies need mental stimulation. Make sure before she is going to be left alone in the house you take her for a good walk first so that she comes back tired and will have had plenty of time to empty herself. Jumping on the work tops is boredom im afraid. When she does wee/poo outside give her plenty of praise. To take on a strong willed dominant breed or cross breed you must be prepared to to have battles and you must make sure you always win these battles because once the dog becomes the boss it can be very hard to turn it around
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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 28, 2012 17:54:39 GMT
She was very good in the cage at first and still goes in there now when we are in the kitchen (of her own accord) I was hoping of another option to having to put her in a cage again as I really hate it. She holds herself all night but she is with us (on her own bed) so I know she can hold herself. I took her to a training class last week and the guy thought she was great and is very well trained with commands ect its just this leaving her on her own?? Is there any other option than putting her in a cage again as I really hate it! We've never had any in a cage before :-(
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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 28, 2012 18:02:33 GMT
Have just got off the phone to hubby, he got home at half 6 and I left her at half past four. I had taken her for an hours wlk and she'd had a good run on the park. She has tons of toys at home and I gave her a denta stick before I came out. She had been for a wee last thing before I left but she has wee'd in her usual spot??!!
What do we do when she has wee'd in the house? We have been telling her no and sending her out. She gets lots of praise when she has been outside. Someone also suggested she might be coming up to her first season??
I get people telling me she will grow put of it as shes still only yoyng then I get orher people that make me feel like a bad owner :-(
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Post by brindlerainbow on Aug 28, 2012 18:06:51 GMT
Is it possible to make a kennel and run in your garden then or shutting her in a stable? The dog is using the house as a toilet because it hasn't been properly toilet trained it doesn't know that outside is the toilet not inside, so you need to address this problem. The cage should not be used as a punishment but as a training aid. I wouldn't want to leave a dog shut in a cage for hours as it's nice for them to be able to move around freely.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Aug 28, 2012 18:09:04 GMT
If she is only being left from 4.30 - 6.30 then stick her in the cage with some chews/toys then she can't wee in her usual spot  |
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Post by 09rebel99 on Aug 28, 2012 18:11:51 GMT
If she thought the house was a toilet would she not do it in the house even when we are there though? Without probably spending hundreds of pounds to build a run and the neighbours going mad at her barking if we left her outside I think it will have to be start from scratch again and get a bigger cage by what people are saying. I dont live on a yard with stables but the garden is 270ft so plenty of room :-)
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Post by brt on Aug 31, 2012 20:43:12 GMT
Agree with everything Jean Slater said, plus no good telling her off after the event.
She sounds bored to me and maybe anxious at being left, she's acting out the only way she knows will bring attention.
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Post by sometime on Sept 2, 2012 9:58:54 GMT
It is a bit of semantics but if you refer always to her crate as her room or bed rather than a cage you may feel better about it. We love our crate it is in the lounge and our lab goes there to sleep even with the door open. She is happy there for hours if we are out as she has no concept of time. She thinks we have been gone for hours if we simply go out and forget something coming straight back so she doesnt know when we have been gone for a short or long time.
I would recrate train start to make sure she understands the house rules before leaving her out of it and make sure you really clean her favourite spot with biological wash powder or a special no scent mark pet cleaner as usual cleaners have ammonia in them that attract the dog back to the same spot so she is sniffing it out as the right place to go
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Post by 09rebel99 on Sept 2, 2012 10:08:03 GMT
Well I went back to the crate for all of an hour. When I got home she was out, she had bent it and colapsed it so the last few days I have been trying a different approach. She is alot better. Went to pets at home and got a treat ball, boness, special stuff to clean all the floors with. Cost me a fortune!! I have gone right back to basics and she has been pretty much dry :-) just an excited wee on the carpet we we come home :-) Thanks for everyones advice and help :-)
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Post by taxpayer on Sept 2, 2012 10:35:18 GMT
There is a stigma about cages. My dog loves his, he sits outside it waiting to be openend with his bedding in mouth, the one he took out in the morning.  My other dog does three laps of the lounge before he goes in his  |
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Post by Milliesmum on Sept 2, 2012 10:43:35 GMT
Dogs don't see a cage as a prison. They see it as their safe/quiet place, a bolt hole if you like. Millie travels in hers so as soon as it goes in the car she knows we're off to the seaside, and long walks on the beach! She hops in there really happily because she knows she's going somewhere she likes.
We used to have ours in the kitchen all the time when the kids were younger, and they were told that if she went in the cage they were to leave her alone - hence when she wanted peace and quiet, that's where she'd go.
Dogs LIKE cages, because they know exactly where they stand.
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Post by wilbs on Sept 2, 2012 12:32:49 GMT
She was very good in the cage at first and still goes in there now when we are in the kitchen (of her own accord) I was hoping of another option to having to put her in a cage again as I really hate it. She holds herself all night but she is with us (on her own bed) so I know she can hold herself. I took her to a training class last week and the guy thought she was great and is very well trained with commands ect its just this leaving her on her own?? Is there any other option than putting her in a cage again as I really hate it! We've never had any in a cage before :-( That's the problem - YOU DON'T LIKE THE CAGE. It's the answer to all your problems. Big enough for her - with a cover over one end so she feels secure. If she soils in it tough. She should be sleeping in it too. Why does she sleep with you (on her own bed) ? A dogs place is not in a bedroom. As others have said you need consistancy with pups. |
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Post by 09rebel99 on Sept 2, 2012 15:42:41 GMT
Our old dog use to sleep upstairs so thats why we just carried on the same. I can't aford to keep buying new cages everyday when she bends them and gets out of them. I also replied saying that she has much improved with the changes I have made. After speaking to numerous people, breeders, trainers ect it appears that not everyone puts their dogs in crates so thought I would try it another way. As she has much improved even just in a few days I will be sticking to what I am doing. I didn't expect some people to be so harsh and I'm sure if you met my dog you would know she is not trying to be dominant and it is just seperation and boredom when we are out. She is very well trained in every other respect.
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Post by taxpayer on Sept 2, 2012 16:41:35 GMT
Rebel, what everyone is trying to suggest is, keep consistency in your training of the dog> I was not getting at you. Just don,t want you to struggle with the dog, and end up with a hard to live with dog. Tey should live with you, not you with them.
Go on ebay, there are hundreds of sturdy cages that will not bend, not those at pet shops. I have a larger dog than yours in one and he has not bent his, even when turning round in it, he loves it. I can advise you where to get a proper cage from that will not bend if you want.
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Post by 09rebel99 on Sept 2, 2012 17:05:04 GMT
Taxpayer not everyone has been harsh. Some have offered good advice which I did try. Its a really sturdy cage and have no idea how she has bent it and has broken one of the clips on it :-( surely with the improvement we have had over the last few days I feel I should carry on with what I have been doing. She has a strict routine now and rules written out:-)
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Post by sometime on Sept 2, 2012 18:58:25 GMT
I am sure if what you are doing is working no one would be harsh about it. I am delighted you have an element of success it is unfortunately that the only way to get rid of the smell is either biological washing powder liquid or specialist cleaner which isnt cheap. I am so pleased you are starting to enjoy your pup I am sure everyone that has advised you only wants the best for you and your pup as so many get dumped when people find them difficult especially those that are hard to house train. I am also quite sure you wont give up on yours but it does happen rather a lot
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Post by 09rebel99 on Sept 2, 2012 19:10:49 GMT
I am sure if what you are doing is working no one would be harsh about it. I am delighted you have an element of success it is unfortunately that the only way to get rid of the smell is either biological washing powder liquid or specialist cleaner which isnt cheap. I am so pleased you are starting to enjoy your pup I am sure everyone that has advised you only wants the best for you and your pup as so many get dumped when people find them difficult especially those that are hard to house train. I am also quite sure you wont give up on yours but it does happen rather a lot Thankyou for the support. Oh no way is the little girly going anywhere no matter what!! Yes I got some of the special shampoo and hard wood cleaner (£8 a bottle) she didn't chew a thing on Friday when we were at work and had 1 little accident and this is the longest day she has so very much improved as there were 3-4 puddles and lots of chewed items also. Very pleased with her :-) |
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Post by livtom on Sept 7, 2012 13:54:51 GMT
I can tell by reading this that you love your dog very much I have a collie that is coming up to 12 months now, omg its been the hardest 12 months ever! and at about 8 months she still had the odd wee in the house and she hated the cage, my neighbours used to knock on and tell me she had been screaming all morning while i was out at work  she would be really quiet in the mornings and when it came to me leaving the house i would have to chase her around the table and force her into the cage. I then decided that i would try an outdoor kennel instead and i must say it was magic she loves being outside and the neighbours are happy that she only barks if someone is lurking about. i leave her with treats(she saves till i get home) and toys =happy poppy stick with it, im sure it will come right xx |
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Post by rubydoo on Nov 20, 2012 17:36:51 GMT
back in the crate , if she cannot behave in the house she must be in a crate make sure she has space water ,food toys ect . i would leave her an hour and then let her out and reward her and repeat until she is happy in the cage for a couple of hours i would not to leave a big dog in a cage for lond periods.
the wee issue , sounds like this is her way of gettig your attention ,any attention good or bad she wont mind .
always reward when she wees outside , and the cage should help prevent accidents.
if she doesnt understand that she musnt wee in the house try to catch her in the act with a firm ,NO OUTSIDE .
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My other dog does three laps of the lounge before he goes in his 
she would be really quiet in the mornings and when it came to me leaving the house i would have to chase her around the table and force her into the cage.