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Post by phillipa100 on Sept 2, 2012 17:21:31 GMT
Derbyshire Festival - 2nd September.
I had read the previous post on this NCPA chat site about photography problems and felt reassured by the supporting responses particularly from Piper (who I think maybe involved with NCPA).
Well with all those previous reassurances now flying out of the window. The 'Official' photographers were at it again from what I've just been told and from what is posted on a popular public network site. Not only did the photographer walk up to the gentleman at the side of the ring whilst he was taking photo's, he apparently said a few rude words, then stood away and took a photograph of the gentleman.
This gentleman was then approached again, this time by ?? Security, who stated there had been a complaint about him taking photographs of children! He stated he was taking photographs of HORSES! and showed him his camera, the security man went away satisfied all was in order. Disgusting, how low will these people stoop to discredit an innocent member of the public taking photographs for pleasure at a public event. He was doing absolutely nothing wrong at all.
Surely this is intimidation, and it certainly leaves a very nasty taste and bad experience. Other people have also stated on here that they too have been harassed by these particular photographers. Easy to solve - don't hire them, if this is how they behave toward show exhibitors and visitors.
This is getting seriously out of hand and someone has to take a stand before intimidation and bullying turn into something far worse. I wonder if anyone else was subjected to similar treatment at the show today? I'm appalled and look forward to other people posting their views on the subject.
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Post by fanfarefan on Sept 2, 2012 17:42:08 GMT
wasnt it E----------l mentioned in a previous thread , RE ;poor quality, etc of photos at various events?  ? |
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Post by bigmama on Sept 2, 2012 18:20:38 GMT
'from what i've been told'  please be careful what you post as possible chinese whispers can lose some people their livelihood |
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Post by elmere on Sept 2, 2012 18:36:51 GMT
'from what i've been told' please be careful what you post as possible chinese whispers can lose some people their livelihood I agree, please make sure this is backed up as you could be accused of defamation of character. |
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Post by fanfarefan on Sept 2, 2012 18:44:43 GMT
sorry , i have no axe to grind , it was just a question , relating to a previous thread , ----which i found on the 2nd page of Moaners area !!
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Post by brt on Sept 2, 2012 20:17:13 GMT
Well sorry but if it's true, said company deserves to be run into the ground! What an awful accusation to make !!!
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Post by piper on Sept 2, 2012 21:09:58 GMT
Yes you are correct phillipa100 I am "something to do with the NCPA " and can I just say that said photographer took hundreds and hundreds of shots of horses which you have to admit is a little odd if he has no vested or financial interest in these photographs. Now the " official " photographer has paid for the privilege of taking pictures at this show and the right to sell them on. If the person at ringside taking hundreds of shots of " horses" is intending to sell them on, then that is hardly fair. There is also the question of the taking pictures of juveniles without permission, now you may feel that this is trivial and irrelevant but sadly as an event organisor this has to be a consideration, like it or not.
Now you clearly know this person, hence the speed that this has appeared on here and I suspect that your real problem is with the " official " photographer.
Derbyshire Festival has had a fab day and would really appreciate it if you didn't imply that in any way we try to stop our competitors from taking pictures of their own or friends ponies.It would have been courtesy for the individual concerned to come to the Secretary's office and reassure the committee that all was above board , instead of continuing to take endless photos of 2 different rings and trying to provoke a reaction.
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Post by elmere on Sept 2, 2012 21:31:59 GMT
Yes you are correct phillipa100 I am "something to do with the NCPA " and can I just say that said photographer took hundreds and hundreds of shots of horses which you have to admit is a little odd if he has no vested or financial interest in these photographs. Now the " official " photographer has paid for the privilege of taking pictures at this show and the right to sell them on. If the person at ringside taking hundreds of shots of " horses" is intending to sell them on, then that is hardly fair. There is also the question of the taking pictures of juveniles without permission, now you may feel that this is trivial and irrelevant but sadly as an event organisor this has to be a consideration, like it or not. Now you clearly know this person, hence the speed that this has appeared on here and I suspect that your real problem is with the " official " photographer. Derbyshire Festival has had a fab day and would really appreciate it if you didn't imply that in any way we try to stop our competitors from taking pictures of their own or friends ponies.It would have been courtesy for the individual concerned to come to the Secretary's office and reassure the committee that all was above board , instead of continuing to take endless photos of 2 different rings and trying to provoke a reaction. Well tbh many photographers just do it as they enjoy it with the aim of getting that one good shot, its easy to take 100's of shots within an hour never mind a whole day so I don't think thats fair to imply that he has a financial interest. It is a public event and the only person that can stop you photographing from the side of the ring without a signed release is the property owner. But just to add if I had a complaint towards the photographer especially if it was how you say then I would have been straight to the secretaries tent. |
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Post by perfect on Sept 2, 2012 22:19:46 GMT
I HAVE PURCHASED lots of photographs of this official photographer, and always been delighted with the quality and action shots. and have come to be on first name terms with them as its been so long now that i have been a customer.. i have always found them to be well mannered, courtieous and very helpful.and if they have been a bit curt there must be a reason why....
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Post by sineadm on Sept 3, 2012 0:24:26 GMT
Good comments Piper. Though it seems to becoming a recurring problem if what we read is true.
My husband IS a professional photographer not in the horse capacity but he does come along to various sporting events, including horse shows, to take pics of our children and myself competing and yes he has been accused of all sorts of nonsense by 'Official Photographers' - Yes, he has professional equipment - Yes, he photographs children, usually ours or friends of ours perse. When you go out for a days enjoyment and then are subjected to a tirade of insults and threats you certainly make a mental note not to go there again, the day is ruined so you pack up and go.
I agree with you that the gentleman concerned should have made a complaint direct to the officials at the time of the incident and hopefully it could have been resolved amicably.
However, in our own experience this is usually a fruitless exercise but to be fair you seem to be concerned about the matter which is very credible on your part.
I also think there is much more to this particular incident than meets the eye.
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Post by bigmama on Sept 3, 2012 7:33:43 GMT
I HAVE PURCHASED lots of photographs of this official photographer, and always been delighted with the quality and action shots. and have come to be on first name terms with them as its been so long now that i have been a customer.. i have always found them to be well mannered, courtieous and very helpful.and if they have been a bit curt there must be a reason why.... Totally agree |
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Post by joey78 on Sept 3, 2012 9:42:58 GMT
Yes you are correct phillipa100 I am "something to do with the NCPA " and can I just say that said photographer took hundreds and hundreds of shots of horses which you have to admit is a little odd if he has no vested or financial interest in these photographs. Now the " official " photographer has paid for the privilege of taking pictures at this show and the right to sell them on. If the person at ringside taking hundreds of shots of " horses" is intending to sell them on, then that is hardly fair. There is also the question of the taking pictures of juveniles without permission, now you may feel that this is trivial and irrelevant but sadly as an event organisor this has to be a consideration, like it or not. Now you clearly know this person, hence the speed that this has appeared on here and I suspect that your real problem is with the " official " photographer. Derbyshire Festival has had a fab day and would really appreciate it if you didn't imply that in any way we try to stop our competitors from taking pictures of their own or friends ponies.It would have been courtesy for the individual concerned to come to the Secretary's office and reassure the committee that all was above board , instead of continuing to take endless photos of 2 different rings and trying to provoke a reaction. I would just like to add my experience of a man taking photo's at this show & who I assume you are talking about in this thread. I was exercising my sec B in the collection ring for the M&M's which adjoined the coloured ring & there was a man stood ringside taking very close up shots of the coloured's - I assumed that he was involved with one of these horses & wanted to get some good pic's of his own horse, but I was quite put out when I noticed him a few times taking pictures of me as I was coming towards him on my pony. I'm no expert on photography but I have had my picture taken lots of times by the pro photographers in the ring, and there was something not right about the way this man was taking pictures, it did seem as if he was taking quite close up shots & more aimed at my face rather than general - "ah look at the pretty pony" style pictures. I have never seen this person before & certainly didn't ask for my picture to be taken, and I have to say I was made to feel uncomfortable by this, it felt to me like an invasion of my privacy. I totally agree with Piper's "odd" comment to be honest & althought I don't wish to throw stones at what may be a perfectly innocent action, I do look a lot younger than I am, and if I was a younger person then I really don't think the actions of this man would have been appropriate. I probably would have said something to the man myself and simply asked him to stop, but I did see the 2 security guards approach the man, and they seemed to be very calm with him, and after they had left the man sat down to continue watching the coloureds and stopped taking picutres so I didn't really think anything else needed to be said. It was a fabulous show yesterday in a beautiful setting & I can't see that anyone would have a problem with people taking their own general photos of the setting & the whole scence but to be taking close up shots of people you don't know when they are trying to get on with their own thing is not right & I think the security were right to ask him to stop, and allow other people to carry on enjoying their day out in the manner they should be allowed to. I have also had lots of experience with Equinational & have always found them a very friendly & professional company & I have never been made to feel uncomfortable having my picture taken by them. In fact we purchased a lovely photo of my boy as it was his last ever show as he now retires to a life of fun, and I am quite happy to pay the going rate for a lovely momento of a sad but happy day  |
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Post by phillipa100 on Sept 3, 2012 22:04:24 GMT
No Piper I'm afraid you're wrong - I don't know who this gentleman was and it was actually my mother, watching one of our team competing, who was in very close proximity and overheard what was said, and relayed it to me. Yes, I'm sure this man taking 'lots' of photographs seemed unusual and alerted you to investigate. All credit must be given for doing so, but it could have been done more sensitively and in a more private location.
But again, you should not be jumping to even more incorrect conclusions about me, implying my feelings toward this would be as a trivial or irrelevant occurrence, nothing of the sort, and I am offended by your remark and your assumptions. As far as me having 'issues' with Official Photographers, E**********l, I believe. Utter nonsense! I do know their reputation though but I couldn't care less what they do as long as they leave me and mine alone.
I have personally competed at NCPA shows for several years and always found it to be an enjoyable experience which I hope it will continue to be for all our team of horses, ponies and pupils. We had a brilliant day on Sunday, nice ribbons, sadly no red or even blue ones this time but still fabulous.
I still feel sorry for the gentleman if he was innocently taking pictures for pleasure and being subjected to an embarrassing confrontation and allegation which was witnessed by numerous spectators in the vicinity. I hope he received an apology.
I have just read the post from joey78 a very interesting perspective of his experience with a photographer, maybe the same man, maybe not. I know I would never want to upset anybody if I was taking pictures and would hope they would say something if I was getting too close or they preferred not to be photographed. Maybe the gentleman who was photographing, alongside many others, I don't doubt, will read joey78 comments and be a little more careful and considerate about what pictures to take and where to take them in future.
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Post by piper on Sept 3, 2012 22:23:58 GMT
Erm I would re read your original post. It came across as quite anti the organisors of the show. The gentleman concerned did not feel that he had been tackled in an embarassing or humiliating way at all, but discretely and sympathetically.Starting a thread of this nature, to greet a hard working and diligent show committee and putting our name at the head of the thread is , I would suggest , unhelpful. Hearsay and chinese whispers can be very destructive. So I'm sorry if you are deeply offended but I stand by my reply, even more so in the light of further developements.
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