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Post by rubydoo on Sept 4, 2012 10:52:54 GMT
need some advice, my sec c has paces to die for ! im stuggling to get him to stretch out and lengthen his neck and stride .
if i give he builds up speed but i feel like im holding him to much and hes to short infront.
he is quiet stong , ridden i a loop ring snaffle and a mullen mouth pelham same in both bits .
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Post by speedysally on Sept 4, 2012 12:19:01 GMT
try basic giving and taking of the reins, just in walk to start off with and maybe try a few transitions and serpentines to get you both concentrating? worth a shot. good luck!
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Post by GinaGeo on Sept 4, 2012 21:24:59 GMT
It's something I've been doing alot of with my baby. Length of rein itself cannot be improved upon, it depends very much on basic conformation. However what you can do, is school to encourage the horse to seek the contact down and lengthen his neck as opposed to coming back at you and shortening the neck or overbending.
I start in Walk, making sure everything's nice and forward and I'm not having to nag. Lots of moving round the schooling and changing the rein. My hands are open, fairly low and wide, asking for good inside bend and ensuring the outdoor shoulder isn't trying to escape with my outside leg. The fingers on my inside hand might very gently being squeezing the rein to encourage him to relax his jaw, the moment he gives I'll stop. The movement cannot be picked up from the ground apart from by someone who's either looking for it or has a very good eye, it's very very tiny.
Once he's nice and relaxed in walk, we move up into trot. The reins are a decent length, not short but they form a consistent contact. My inside hand will be open and I'll put him onto a circle. Repeating the squeezing down the rein if I need to. I also use walk- trot transitions and also transitions within the pace to engage the hind end further. Spiralling on circles is something else that's useful, ensuring that the outward spiral doesn't allow the shoulder to "pop" and escape. I use both Leg yielding and also a straighter movement on the outward spiral- aternating them, so he understands the basics for the more advanced Lateral Work when he's older, so bending into the direction of travel as well as away from it. Obviously do this on both reins. If the shoulder is "popping" it can be useful to ride a diamond hitting say A, side of the school, X, side of the school, back to A; as opposed to a circle to straighten them up.
At the end of session, I give him a really long rein in trot which he will take right down to the floor and really stretch his back muscles out, we do this on both reins and finish with a walk on a long rein. Now he's learnt to do it I use it at the beginning as well as it really opens him up. Your best option is to get an Instructor in, my methods are only those that work for my youngster and may be of no use to you what so ever!
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Post by rubydoo on Sept 5, 2012 13:54:35 GMT
thanks very much for your help will give that ago later , i do have an instructor but due to kids being off for 6 wk hols and be not having much time to go over what ive done in a lesson i had a break from lessons over the hols. my lower leg seems to have got a bit weaker so im not sending his forwards into the contact . we've only been hacking out so weve both got a bit lazy  |
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Post by wh321 on Sept 5, 2012 21:14:46 GMT
It's something I've been doing alot of with my baby. Length of rein itself cannot be improved upon, it depends very much on basic conformation. However what you can do, is school to encourage the horse to seek the contact down and lengthen his neck as opposed to coming back at you and shortening the neck or overbending. I start in Walk, making sure everything's nice and forward and I'm not having to nag. Lots of moving round the schooling and changing the rein. My hands are open, fairly low and wide, asking for good inside bend and ensuring the outdoor shoulder isn't trying to escape with my outside leg. The fingers on my inside hand might very gently being squeezing the rein to encourage him to relax his jaw, the moment he gives I'll stop. The movement cannot be picked up from the ground apart from by someone who's either looking for it or has a very good eye, it's very very tiny. Once he's nice and relaxed in walk, we move up into trot. The reins are a decent length, not short but they form a consistent contact. My inside hand will be open and I'll put him onto a circle. Repeating the squeezing down the rein if I need to. I also use walk- trot transitions and also transitions within the pace to engage the hind end further. Spiralling on circles is something else that's useful, ensuring that the outward spiral doesn't allow the shoulder to "pop" and escape. I use both Leg yielding and also a straighter movement on the outward spiral- aternating them, so he understands the basics for the more advanced Lateral Work when he's older, so bending into the direction of travel as well as away from it. Obviously do this on both reins. If the shoulder is "popping" it can be useful to ride a diamond hitting say A, side of the school, X, side of the school, back to A; as opposed to a circle to straighten them up. At the end of session, I give him a really long rein in trot which he will take right down to the floor and really stretch his back muscles out, we do this on both reins and finish with a walk on a long rein. Now he's learnt to do it I use it at the beginning as well as it really opens him up. Your best option is to get an Instructor in, my methods are only those that work for my youngster and may be of no use to you what so ever! i think this is very good advice  |
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Post by delfachhighwayman on Sept 10, 2012 20:27:18 GMT
If you are wanting to get the poll longer and lower you need to half halt on the inside rein, if you want it higher it is half halting on the outside rein.
If however, you are finding he is to heavy on the reins to start with, you will need to work on getting him light in the hand. Its always tempting to get tight in the hand with a welshy and really hold them, but you will find you are in a never ending spiral if you do this.
Sounds like he might be fixing in the poll so basic suppleing exercises will help with this such as riding a shoulder fore and a leg yeild from the fence, if you can switch this down the long sides, this can help.
I also find working on a circle, introducing each aid one at a time to check they are there really works if they fix. I do the following on the circle;
1) inside hand half halt-check that he flexes to the inside.
2) Outside half halt- check that his ears move to the outside and he straightens
3) Inside leg on- check that he forms a "banana shape with his body to the inside.
4) Outside leg on- check he straightens and his hind moves towards the inside slightly
Once you have gone through these checks, you know he is listening to the lighter aids and you can put them all together and ride a shoulder fore on the circle (make sure you look behind to ensure you are getting the feeling to hind is moving away from the circle and turn your body in).
Also with a welshy, make sure you give him time to resond to the downward aids before putting loads of aids on at once.
Hope this helps
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