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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 21:13:44 GMT
This is not sour grapes at all as I went to a local show today for experience but I am disappointed to the standard of judging nowadays. I was in a large class and as I was walking round, the judge walked up to the competitor in front of me and said 'I'll let you win.' Everyone did their show, judge not watching except for the competitor he was going to place first. However this specific horse didn't go to well and the majority of horses in this class went better. The judge placed this horse second, walked up to him and said 'sorry, I couldn't give it to you' It's just disappointing when it's set up like this when everyone else has paid their money too. I was very pleased with my boy though as he was brilliant throughout the whole day  |
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Post by norwalk on Sept 17, 2012 0:14:39 GMT
Thas the important thing! - you had a good day and yours went well!!!
How sad for the winner to be going home with a placing that meant nothing - I would be mortified!!
Frustrating for you, and SO wrong, but who is the bigger person and the better competitor??!!!
If I was the "winner" I would have had to tell the judge to mark according to merit - HOW EMBARRASSING!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 5:43:39 GMT
Thank you Although second place did get supreme  |
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Post by umuppet on Sept 17, 2012 15:01:55 GMT
Sounds like riding club :/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 15:34:46 GMT
Yes it was umuppet.... even so I still believe that judging should be fair.
I judged at a riding club show and made sure there was no favouritism or unfairness. Just wish this was the case all the time as it takes the fun out of 'fun showing'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 18:11:34 GMT
were you at an affiliated show, if so you need to report this judge to the panel they were judging for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 19:04:30 GMT
No it was a riding club show. I would have 100% reported it if it was affiliated. I just wanted some experience with a novice and got it but just wanted a little moan
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Post by dippykestral on Sept 20, 2012 21:49:40 GMT
Mm...I wish they'd sort out some of the judging at unaffiliated level; Sister jumped the only clear in the novice workers at our local, only to stand second below some thing that had a stop and a pole? I feel sorry for the kids involved at these "fun" shows.
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Post by solitaire sr on Sept 23, 2012 11:15:55 GMT
i would report to the riding club in question. The majority of riding clubs, get good experienced judges, but theres a select few dodgy ones im afraid, who have to bend the rules. I do attend a lot of riding club for experience for my babys and have come across fab well respected judges, but theres been a couple of c**P ones to  |
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Post by welshiegirl on Sept 23, 2012 18:50:17 GMT
we've seen this before! I've seen one get reserve that was stiff and couldnt even move and was been dragged around get reserve- then to see one of the judges go for a catch-up with the owner at their trailer!!!
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Post by parsnip on Sept 24, 2012 21:26:03 GMT
It's sadly too true - though there are many local shows where the judging is very good and instructive. My friend's daughter was foot perfect in a Riding Club pony class recently and stood below a pony who waded through the jump! Go figure!
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Post by tinker on Sept 25, 2012 6:14:32 GMT
I have judged at local level & feel everybody should be judge fairly, should anyone enter my class that I knew , I would change rings for that class or they were ask to wear a white arm band & did not get placed. My daughter shows at county level where there is to much face judging regardless of how good the horse is or goes. If you are beaten by a better horse you are happy to take in on the chin but would go home knowing you both tried your best. I would complain big time
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Post by jeanslater on Sept 25, 2012 6:52:44 GMT
If I had heard the judge say that to a fellow competitor, I would have said to him/her ' I heard that' ........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2012 19:30:07 GMT
I would have complained but at the end of the day is not worth it! I got the experience and was very proud of my boy.... I wish I had emailed the organiser of the show and told her what had happened but after looking at pictures of the previous shows they held it was always the same competitior winning and getting supreme as the judge knew him and obviously had a thing for the competitior |
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Post by casper15 on Sept 30, 2012 16:25:32 GMT
I was at Crow Wood doing a working hunter show - my pony is 13.2hh and jumped lovely round the 75cm course against all the big 15-16hh as it wasn't a split class, was very pleased at the time with him. Went back into the ring with all the other clears and he was the second smallest in the class! after the go round the judge started to pull in the ones she liked etc - i was still walking round and being the only one left walking round felt kind of embarrassed and ashamed, then to top it off she left me walking round and pulled in the first one to do its show so i had to pressume i was at the end! Only to find out the top 4 were all liveries at crow wood! Was not impressed! Then to top it all off at the yard show about 3-4 days later he did the exact same speed round a course etc and won the class!
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Post by gillwales on Oct 4, 2012 6:47:03 GMT
the experience of the OP and Casper15 is unacceptable at any level, if Judges do not judge fairly and truly with respect to all competitors then it encourages cheating and bad manors amongst competitors. To both of you, be pleased that your ponies went well and try to forget the rest.
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Post by kaya on Oct 4, 2012 16:38:04 GMT
I was at Crow Wood doing a working hunter show - my pony is 13.2hh and jumped lovely round the 75cm course against all the big 15-16hh as it wasn't a split class, was very pleased at the time with him. Went back into the ring with all the other clears and he was the second smallest in the class! after the go round the judge started to pull in the ones she liked etc - i was still walking round and being the only one left walking round felt kind of embarrassed and ashamed, then to top it off she left me walking round and pulled in the first one to do its show so i had to pressume i was at the end! Only to find out the top 4 were all liveries at crow wood! Was not impressed! Then to top it all off at the yard show about 3-4 days later he did the exact same speed round a course etc and won the class! Hi, If this was the first Crow Wood WH show that you are referring to, the 75cm winner was definately NOT a Crow Wood livery. The winner was my friend, giving her horse his first taste of WH showing. He had only just started jumping, which is why he was in the 75cm class, even though he is 16 hds. Can't comment on any of the other classes, or the 2nd show, but just wanted to point out that all of the winners weren't liveries. Kay |
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Post by river23 on Oct 5, 2012 13:48:53 GMT
I know in our area there is one particular riding club where the judging is very much based on 'who you know'. As a result, lots of people don't tend to go unless they are one of the few who know the judges! Doesn't work out so well for the riding club as a once popular show is now dwindling because everyone is fed up with the poor judging.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 17:41:03 GMT
I went to an ncpa show last weekend, and the bsps judge gave a pony the overall supreme to a pony that bucked and bronced in the championship, I wasn't the only one that saw it, but hey ho -- thats showing...
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Post by Admin on Oct 18, 2012 18:40:22 GMT
My thoughts are that if a pony bucks in a class or championship class it should not end up in the final line. Unfortunately I have witnessed animals in the top placings this year despite being badly behaved. No wonder people get fed up with this sport.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 18:43:09 GMT
I have just got a new one on loan and am so excited to get him out just to have fun for once and not take it too seriously as he is so laid back!
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Post by karenp1980 on Oct 18, 2012 20:44:47 GMT
the same thing happened to me at a supposedly reputable show. The horse that won was spooking and shying and things and took some getting to canter for the ride judge, then when in canter tanked!! The horse won and the judge said "its ok, i know that hes not normally like that!" this person went on to win the championship, under the same judge. then came out of the ring and stood about chatting to all the judges!!! pffftttt
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Post by gillwales on Oct 19, 2012 6:18:21 GMT
about 15 years ago in this area at local shows, there was 1 man I knew who would make a £50 donation then say that he would like to judge a particular class.... I only ever made the mistake of showing under him once! Eventually the shows realised that when he judged there were very few entries
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Post by Em5 on Oct 19, 2012 7:16:17 GMT
Question! Are championships judged on how the pony goes in all it's classes in that section on that day or how it goes in the championship.
I saw a pony take inhand reserve champion that cantered round the ring in it's championship. It was a lovely pony but showed no manners in the championship, and as for the champion whilst it was nice it had no manners probably due to the fact the leader had a cane with rope whip on end and was constantly whipping the pony; should this not be taken into account when judging the pony or is this allowed during in hand classes?
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Post by gillwales on Oct 19, 2012 8:24:46 GMT
you should judge what is in front of you at the time, however you should be able to justify your decision
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Post by solitaire sr on Oct 19, 2012 13:08:16 GMT
My pony recently took supreme at a show, he was very nervous as he had never done an evening performance before, and shyed at the large clapping crowd.
Although he had took champion in both his classes, i didnt think he would take supreme due to this and the quality being so high, but i have to say a lot of the horses/ponies spooked at the crowd, spotlight etc, so maybe they went off daytime performances?
He never broke his trot just spooked so maybe its just down to the judges on the day, other judges may have seen his behaviour as a negative and not given him a thought for there supreme champion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 14:06:42 GMT
Just as a positive
2 years ago, at a show that takes us about 2 hours to get to, we competed in the working hunters. My sister was 2nd in her class, and although there were about 6 classes in all in that section, she went through to the championship anyway (many don't with a 2nd). As it turned out, only 6 animals came forward, not all 1sts, as it was well towards the end of the day. However, the 15hh and the 14hh plaiteds were pulled champion and reserve. However, at the presentation of rosettes, something spooked both ponies, I'm not sure what it was, but both reared and spun.
The judge then asked both horse and pony to leave the ring, and awarded champion to the 13hh and reserve to my sister!
In all the years we have shown, I think this is the only time I have ever seen a judge actually ask 2 ponies to leave the ring due to their behaviour during the presentation of rosettes, however, the 15hh had nearly trampled her, and she was well within her rights to ask them to leave!
Maybe some stories of good judging should circulate just as much, so people know which judges are lovely to go under, as well as not pleasant to go under!
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Post by Em5 on Oct 19, 2012 14:21:44 GMT
Well done to your sister and to her pony for behaving. at the end of the day nothing should faze a whp as it should be able to go out and hunt safely, same with lead rein ponies. I once had a judge being very rude to me because my lead rein pony moved when she was giving the rosette to my daughter, in the ponies defence she did rush the plastic bag straight next to his head and nearly got him, but I understood the point that lead rein ponies shouldn't react to anything.
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