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Post by crazyshetlandlady on Oct 5, 2012 22:40:35 GMT
A girl I know, baring in mind is 20 years old, has just said On Facebook, they are going to breed from their dog because 'dad thinks it will be mean not to let her have any puppies' SERIOUSLY?  ?!!!!! !!!!!!!!! *Smashes head against wall!!!!* |
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Post by Philippa on Oct 6, 2012 4:46:59 GMT
In fairness it may be that she hasn't worded it very well. They say a b****h should have a litter of pups before spaying.
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Post by vikki85 on Oct 6, 2012 9:08:27 GMT
In fairness it may be that she hasn't worded it very well. They say a b****h should have a litter of pups before spaying. I've never heard that before, do you know why that is philippa? I'm assuming for some sort of health reason? |
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Post by rubydoo on Oct 6, 2012 9:40:53 GMT
far to many dog in shelters why breed more ? god knows where they end up !
i once bred my cairn and i would never do it again you have no control over who they end up with.
i now work in a vets and we have animal brought in daily that have been abandoned or neglected, everybody want a cute puppy not many can cope with the responiblilities of caring for a dog for the nexst 10 -15yrs
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Post by rightrein92 on Oct 6, 2012 9:44:42 GMT
I know it's not the same but two days ago someone dropped a cardboard box with five tiny kittens in it why keep breeding just to leave them and ditch the poor things luckily we found and rescued them as they were all dehydrated and freezing poor little mites who could do things like this xx
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Post by brindlerainbow on Oct 6, 2012 10:49:48 GMT
I've never heard that it's good to let a b*tch have a litter before spaying. In my opinion there are far too many dogs bred, rescue centres are full of unwanted dogs. I think a lot of people think that because they have a b*tch they should breed and make a few quid. I have two Boxer bit*hes, both daughters of champions and both heart tested. If I had a pound for everytime people have told me to have a litter from them as I could sell the pups for £700 each then I would be rich!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 11:05:15 GMT
People do say ridiculous things - they have probably heard them by older relatives - kind of "old wives tales".
I was told by the TESCO delivery man - that I shouldnt have a boy Chihuahua - as women should only ever had girl dogs, due to them being the pack leader!!!!!
I smiled and shut the door !!!!
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Post by flee on Oct 6, 2012 13:40:48 GMT
I was told by the TESCO delivery man - that I shouldnt have a boy Chihuahua - as women should only ever had girl dogs, due to them being the pack leader!!!!! He should know - being leader of the packers. |
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Post by crazyshetlandlady on Oct 6, 2012 17:08:47 GMT
I have actually heared about the one litter before, but can you imagine everyone with a female dog having a litter of pups? ? Praise the lord for people who don't do this before neutering their poor 'puppy deprived b*tches' |
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Post by sometime on Oct 6, 2012 17:20:11 GMT
I have found from many years of puppy rearing and breeding that the bit*h is much healthier if she has a litter of pups. may be coincidence but never had one with mammary cancer and never had one with fat tumours. Of course it isnt essential but there are lots of reasons not to spay a bit*h too I am in two minds. You need to do it before a first season to avoid the risk of mammary tumour but that increases the risk of spay incontinence leave it later than that and there is a reduced risk of incontinence but no advantage as far as mammary tumours goes so I dont spay I am prepared to care properly for my girl when she is in season and am also aware of the risk of pyometra when older but personally I couldnt live with an incontinent dog for ten or more years
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Post by suzee on Oct 6, 2012 18:14:02 GMT
Have always been told that as long as a b**** has her first season then it is perfectly fine to then have her speyed,think the old let her have a litter excuse is just that.If you bear in mind that all assistance b***** ie guide dogs,hearing dogs etc are all speyed.Only heard of spey in continence with regard to pups being speyed early before a season.
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Post by vikki85 on Oct 6, 2012 21:27:30 GMT
My husky bit*h is speyed, she's never had a litter. She was speyed at about 2 years old so had had a few seasons. I'd never heard of the incontinence problems before either!
She's had absolutely no issues with health since being speyed, but then she is still only 3.5 years now.
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Post by ruftytuftyrider on Oct 6, 2012 21:31:30 GMT
I seem to remember about 40 years ago the vet said that she should let our b**** have a litter before spaying but never heard it again until today.
Agree that nowadays there are so many abandoned dogs it would be madness if every b**** owner bred a litter.
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Post by Milliesmum on Oct 6, 2012 21:38:29 GMT
Millie was speyed after her first season, my reasons being (1), I had no intention of breeding from her (2) A dog previously owned by my parents had various health problems in later life due to not having been done, i.e. cancerous tumours under her teats involving two operations, and pyometra involving another big op which was an ordeal for an older dog.
The only advice I was given was to let her have one season, then wait 3 months so she was halfway through her cycle, then book her in with the vet. To be honest it's made such a difference to her, she is calmer, she has put weight on although not too much, she was so hyper before that I was struggling to keep weight on her.
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Post by nj on Oct 6, 2012 22:16:27 GMT
Have to say that our local vet said the same to us, it would reduce the risk of mammory cancer and pyometra, our Boxer never had a litter because of her heart, but she came down with pyometra about 3yrs ago, so had to be spayed, and last year we found 5 lumps on each teat, they came back as cancerous, so I feel there may be some truth in letting them have a litter, or let them have a season and then spay I don't know, people say a lot of different things don't they, so it's hard to say really!!! |
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Post by nia2311 on Oct 6, 2012 22:18:27 GMT
In fairness it may be that she hasn't worded it very well. They say a b****h should have a litter of pups before spaying. Sorry but that is an old wives tale. Ask any vet. My vet said she's sick of dealing with owners who believe this and end up with their dog having c-sections etc that they can't afford. Female dogs can be spayed as soon as they are old enough. Consult your vet who will give the correct advice |
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Post by B_31 on Oct 6, 2012 23:23:10 GMT
as above nia.... i had a bit*h had 2 seasons and spayed... and another spayed BEFORE her first season... first had a good life and died young due to her back problem (nothing to do with a spay!) 2nd is 5...and fine....  imo its rubbish saying let them have a litter before spaying.........its a bad excuse to have pups and sell them!! |
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Post by wildnative on Oct 7, 2012 1:42:47 GMT
I got my Staffie at 18 months old because her previous owner didn't want her anymore !!!  Yes, she made up all sorts of excuses, but the bottom line is, she didn't want her. I immediately enrolled her in training classes, then she had a season just before the 13 week course ended. (I still went to the classes but left Missy at home. I worked with one of the trainer's dogs instead.) While waiting for midway between seasons to have her spayed, she had an accident and dislocated her patella. After initially having restricted exercise, then no exercise, then normal exercise on my vets instructions, and trying her with then without metacam, she then had an X-Ray under GA. I did ask my vet about spaying her at the time, but he advised me to wait until after her next season. She was then referred to an orthopaedic specialist vet as by now, her patella was slipping in and out of the patellar groove very easily and all the time. Not long after this, she went to this specialist vet to have surgery on her leg. That was another GA, and the surgery involved deepening the groove under her patella, sawing off the tibial tuberosity and pinning it back in a different position. Her patellar ligament was cut on one side and stitched on the other, to stop it from pulling on the sawn off tibial tuberosity while it healed in its new position, and to hold her patella securely in the newly deepened groove while everything healed. It took a good couple of months for Missy to recover enough to start strict on lead only exercise, and by this time, she was due another season soon. Basically, as SOON as she was fit to go in for spaying, she was in. She is now 8 1/2 years old and has no signs of mammary tumours or incontinence. She is a lovely b*tch. She has a fantastic temperament, is excellent around children, dogs and other animals. She has 100% recall at all times and was very, very good and fast in our agility classes before I had to give it up. Plus, since I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis, I have trained her to help me by picking up anything I drop or can't bend down to pick up. Do I regret having her spayed ? NO Do I wish she had a litter before I had her spayed ? NO There are far, far too many dogs, and especially Staffies, indiscriminately bred then dumped because the cute "puppy factor" has worn off and the dog is no longer wanted. Anyone who thinks its a good idea to breed "just one litter" before spaying their b*tch, should be made to work in a rescue kennel for a week first. |
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Post by dazycutter on Oct 7, 2012 6:16:44 GMT
My brood bit*h had mammary tumours and a pyrometer. One of my maiden bit*hes had neither and got to a good age of 12. Both conditions are treatable if caught early. There is no need to over breed
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Post by arabellaphoenix on Oct 7, 2012 7:50:17 GMT
My girl had to be spayed before her first season as she had pyometra. She has never had a problem with incontinence and is now 11.
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Post by Sam on Oct 7, 2012 15:40:09 GMT
We let our boxer have one litter as going on the lines of above, she ended up having c section, heart stopped on operating table but came out ok, had 4 healthy pups however the bit*h is now allergic to trees, yes trees and has to have anti histamines daily and steroid inj every month due to her continual scratching. Plus she looks horrendous from the scratching and is totally underweight. Vet putting it down to hormonl inbalance due to her having the litter
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 16:58:06 GMT
I was told by the TESCO delivery man - that I shouldnt have a boy Chihuahua - as women should only ever had girl dogs, due to them being the pack leader!!!!! He should know - being leader of the packers.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by somersetgirl on Oct 8, 2012 20:01:53 GMT
We had our lab spayed as we didnt want to breed, and she was a working lab. Sadly after the op she had incontienence problems. This was treated easily by some syrup medicine from the vets. A few drops in the morning on some bread sorted her and she lived til 10 yrs old.
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Yes, she made up all sorts of excuses, but the bottom line is, she didn't want her.
