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Post by forester on Oct 22, 2012 13:56:03 GMT
Right i spoke with Gill in the office, and TRAY forms of water splashes are out,but natural splashs arent, so if course builders are aloowed to dig out a small area then splashes will be in the classes!!!!!  if anybody who feels that splashes need to stay then please email the NPS on their secretary @ address i for one will be emailing for them to be kept in as its sorts the ponies out!!! |
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Post by bigmama on Oct 22, 2012 14:06:06 GMT
thank you for clarifying this point, forester  |
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Post by gaga24 on Oct 22, 2012 14:07:40 GMT
Why have they taken them out?
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Post by gaga24 on Oct 22, 2012 14:08:09 GMT
I'll be emailing them too forester x
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Post by busybusy on Oct 22, 2012 14:15:54 GMT
I for one will be glad to see the back of the contrived "splashes". At best they offer some form of handy pony element, at worst they are dangerouse and off putting. However, I am happy with any natural water element (whether to be trotted through/jumped into and out of etc). Many of the ponies that stop at the final have happily trotted through the "splashes" and vice versa!
I have never seen a pony refuse to go through a puddle out hunting!
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Post by fawsleyfilly on Oct 22, 2012 15:08:16 GMT
May be wrong i know, but was under the impression it was just the rigid water splashes they were not using, because ponies tend to slip in them, if this is the case will they still use the pvc soft water jump type, or is it a blanket ban on all un-natural trays/splashes, can't see many course builders wanting to man a spade for the cause. lol
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Post by forester on Oct 22, 2012 19:19:41 GMT
tray forms of splashes are rubber linned and i for one have not known a pony to slip on these, i however have a full rubber form of a splash, but as the trays are not natural they have had soooo many complaints they have removed them, but something needs to be done otherwise these "performance" classes will be a thing of the past
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Post by beauty2004 on Oct 22, 2012 19:35:43 GMT
My email has been sent xx
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Post by swood on Oct 22, 2012 20:35:05 GMT
put a decent course builder in the ring and there really is no need for splashes of any sort. With a course built technical and up to height, the need of putting a "handy pony" type "unnatural" obstacle is not needed. If only some course builders would make better use of materials available to them, a little imagination and full use of the heights available (all the wayround!)
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Post by beauty2004 on Oct 22, 2012 20:40:19 GMT
Surely water is a natural hazard when hunting and now the fence heights are coming down will there be any questions left?.
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Post by pipandwill on Oct 22, 2012 21:07:41 GMT
I think splashes seperate the proper workers from the ones that dont go hunting. I too will get mum to email. Especially for hoys/rihs qualifiers need to be testing, otherwise they will just end up with 20 odd clears per section.
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Post by busybusy on Oct 23, 2012 8:30:17 GMT
The splashes dont separate the hunting ponies. I know several good ponies who regularly hunt/event who truly dislike these splashes (yet happily tackle any natural water). Water trays to jump over are fine - in fact I think that the width of these could be increased. Totally agree that a good course builder can make a difference by building a technical course. No need for jumps to be over height - just need some to be up to height. Off set combinations, more use of trebles etc. Pens and bullfinches seem to be out of fashion....bring them back!
If there is a class with 40+ entries (ie Cheshire/Puk/Nps etc) of course you can end up with 20 clears, and why not? Surely you do not want a course that destroys half the class? This amount of clears just shows the standard of the entries? Then, its up to the judges to judge the class! M&M whp is one of the hardest classes to win at any level!
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Post by bbanks on Oct 23, 2012 13:08:16 GMT
Totally agree Busy Busy, artificial splashed are dangerous, I have seen ponies slip, trip and really frighten themselves. No native pony will choose to go through a "trap" when they can go around, we trust our natives as we hunt over the moor to take us around bogs, swamp and unsafe ground, they have a brain and they should not be made to go against their instincts. A good course builder can incorporate ditches, pens, walls, water, brush and bullfinches. Test the jockeys and ponies, dont frighten them!
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Post by lillibet on Oct 23, 2012 14:00:01 GMT
I also agree with Busybusy & Bbanks and will be glad to see the back of the artificial water splashes. Yes water is a natural hazard which all hunting / eventing ponies will happily negotiate in a natural state but to walk through a black plastic tray in the middle of an arena is not natural and, to any sensible pony, should be viewed with suspicion and avoided.
So come on course builders, put your thinking caps on through the winter and lets have some testing, technical courses without the artificial traps. There have been plenty of good suggestions in this thread to get you started.
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Post by misterben on Oct 23, 2012 15:08:21 GMT
Big fan of natural splashes....
My boy slipped thro a very poorly designed artificial water splash a year back and it really upset him. It's really not the same!
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Post by titch on Oct 23, 2012 15:33:10 GMT
Area 29 have a natural water obstacle at David Brooomes i expect there are more out there awsell.
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Post by prm on Oct 23, 2012 17:28:47 GMT
I really think splashes are not great yes they split the classes up but not from what would go hunting and not as you'd never see an unnatural tray out hunting. Don't know why they don't say have to have bullfinch as you would meet that out hunting or something like that if they want to sort them out.
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Post by serendipity on Oct 23, 2012 20:35:26 GMT
I do agree with busy busy's comments in the first paragraph - although I wish, selfishly, that they would leave them in as I have two ponies that just love them. However we have had really good hunting ponies that would go through any water out hunting or hacking but would not go near the plastic water splashes.
I do not agree with busy busy's second paragraph about it being good to have 20 our of 40 clears. If it is a really good course with all the technicality you suggest then there should be a lot less clears. It does not mean that the non clears are "buried" just made s light mistake on a long and technical course. There should be no more than 10 clears in a class of 40.
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Post by titch on Oct 23, 2012 20:42:25 GMT
I agree with no more than 10 clears. Look forward to seeing the courses next year.
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Post by busybusy on Oct 24, 2012 9:11:37 GMT
Serendipity, on reflection I do agree with you that it would not be ideal to have half the class clear. I tried to recall qualifiers with half the class clear and, as we only contested about 6, I think that PUK and Nps were the only one with an immense amount of clears. However, I suppose we all have to admit to some self interest and we are fortunate as our ponies often do as well in a class with numerous clears as one with only one or two. This reminds us of the importance in the M&M classes that animals correct within their breed description should be at the top of the class.
I have no issue with up to height courses (though dislike over height ones) but feel that we have lacked technical fences over the past few years....when we did nursery stakes, pens and off set fences were regulars on the courses. In the opens we usually got a Bullfinch (or 2!)....bring these back. We had plenty of water trays but never water splashes (unless the competition was at a venue with a water complex).
I think a a well built, robust course that calls for ability, agility, and technical skills from both horse and rider is the way forward.
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Post by heath on Oct 25, 2012 3:57:04 GMT
Hurrah for common sense and getting rid of these dangerous gimmick type water splashes!!! I have no problems with a proper water splash or indeed a soft plastic type water tray but I witnessed so many ponies and riders being put into danger of injury due to trying to concoct a fence to stop them. Thats not what its all about!!!! A good course builder shouldnt need to rely on gimmicks to get the required number of clears in a class.
Lets go back to good honest well built courses that ask questions of the pony & riders correct training and ability and get a result whereby performance and good conformation and manners are rewarded !!
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Post by ellanorenatives on Oct 30, 2012 23:12:43 GMT
i have a pony that will jump anything put infront of her, flies through any water jump on a cross country course, through puddles - shallow and deep and any other natural water filled obsticle but the water tray splashes she will not entertain whatso ever!!! she will jump over it (with plenty of room) but she will not 'go through it'. Im pleased the water tray type of splashes are out but i dont want the splash out all together as some of these courses ive seen this season are so basic my local riding clubs courses put them to shame, so many natural materials to use just laying on the road side but yet they use skinny rustic poles with a set of wings?? make our courses more exciting please!!!!!! xx
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