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Post by prettyreckless on Oct 26, 2012 20:09:57 GMT
sorry i need to rant! why is it where ever you go and what ever you say there is always some politically correct moron up your backside telling oh how so wrong something is.. i mean look at 'can i clip a 3 year old' thread!! really ffs.. has it got to that point now where its deamed cruel by people... and the over use of rugs blah blah blah.. im sick of hearing 'there horses leave them natural', fack and off, yeah cos there soooooo natural with all the interference they have from us.. you know the hard feed the hay etc etc.. ... open your eyes.. yeah maybe 500 years ago when horses breeding hadnt been intefered with etc etc.. its all getting rather tiresome.. i am old fashioned with my lot.. they get rugged as and when they need it including my welshies.. one of them has a pelvis issues the other is a wimp.. and my 3 year old has a coat finer than a tb!!! not that i will ever stand and justify my actions.. all i will say is does my horse look un happy? any of them,... do they hell!!! i think its high time that the thread should change to soft idiot tree huggers that have nothing else to do than spite other horse owners!!! you deal with your own animals and leave everyone else to there own!!!! if you dont agree then dont comment!!! sorry guys  |
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Post by nia2311 on Oct 26, 2012 20:16:42 GMT
And breathe!
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Post by gillwales on Oct 26, 2012 20:19:22 GMT
do you feel better for that prettyreckless???
I do know how you feel though.
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Post by prettyreckless on Oct 26, 2012 20:24:31 GMT
haha yeah and breath although i may be breathing fire after what hubby has just served up lol
uhh its getting on my nerves bow.. everywhere you go..
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Post by prettyreckless on Oct 26, 2012 20:33:36 GMT
do you fee; better for that prettyreckless??? I do know how you feel though. [/quote god yes haha, normally i dont mither to much but honestly im sick and tired of it.. grrrr x] |
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Post by sarahp on Oct 26, 2012 22:52:37 GMT
The knowledge of insulin resistance, EMS and hence laminitis is increasing, with it the awareness of the danger of ponies getting too fat, and one reason for this is over rugging, as well of course as over feeding. Their physiology is designed to put weight on in the summer when it is plentiful to store up for the next winter, when they would lose it again when the feed is scarce. Nowadays in most cases this second phase does not happen and they are kept fat all year round, leading to the ills in my first sentence.
So please don't rant at anyone trying to highlight a welfare issue.
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Post by LinsopStud on Oct 27, 2012 6:46:29 GMT
I think the key is to treat each horse as an individual. Everyone has a different opinion and none are necessarily wrong but you need to take the one that is more applicable to you I guess! Mimicking the natural lifestyle is absolutely the correct thing to do, especially with natives, but there are limits to how far you can take it nowadays as we literally have man made horses such as TBs and we owe it to them to adapt to the individual.
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Post by prettyreckless on Oct 27, 2012 10:38:55 GMT
have i missed something? i dont believe i was ranting at anyone in particular? neither did i asked for someone to tell me about horses living naturally.. which mine do as much as they can.. they get fat in the summer and lose it all again over the winter.. none of mine have had or will have lami etc etc.... dont even know where that has come from??  |
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Post by greasedweasel on Oct 27, 2012 12:19:39 GMT
Well here we have our three year old staging a protest... "I want a rug"!!!!! ;D
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Post by GinaGeo on Oct 27, 2012 12:52:49 GMT
Of course we all think our way is the best way - we wouldn't do it otherwise would we  However, if you construct a well thought out arguement, with points, evidence and explanations you're far more likely to be listened to, than if you just throw your toys out of the pram and have a tantrum as people don't agree with you. You only get people's backs up and incite an arguement if you do. Regarding the clipping of three year olds thread, the OP asked if they should and they recieved responses. These responses started off well thought out but deteriorated rapidly into a slanging match. It was rather amusing to read, but that's about it. Horse's are individuals and whether they're capable of doing sufficient work as a three year old to warrent clipping is dependant on several variables and also personal opinion. Regarding rugs, you should see HHO if you think it's bad over here Rug sensibly when it's needed, some will require more rugs than others and individuals have to be accounted for - t'is common sense. If a horse will cope then I woud prefer they're naked so they can self regulate; as it is I have two clipped that require rugging and an oldie that can get mild colic if he gets cold. They all had mediumweights on with necks last night in my north facing, unsheltered paddock. They were quite content. Some unclipped horses I know are already in heavyweights with layers underneath - what they will have on when it gets really cold goodness only knows! I agree with sarahp, science is moving on and is evolving - as horse owners we should ensure we don't get stuck in our ways and continue to make informed decisions- vet advice changes. We also need to ensure we don't get sucked into the marketting ploys of the big companies... |
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Post by brt on Oct 27, 2012 15:50:54 GMT
I think in a lot of cases, especially on livery yards, you will get the ones that think they have to tell you how to look after your horse. There is a lot of peer pressure on yards and a lot of people turning up their noses at either how you muck out or how you feed or don't feed.
Every one of my 14 ponies are different, and are looked after accordingly, the old hill broodmares live out rugless whatever the weather, where as my yearling C comes in every night through winter. One of my geldings is turned out rugless but on a grass less surface.
Horses for courses (pardon the pun )
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Post by auntiebarb on Oct 27, 2012 16:51:32 GMT
My horses are usually at least teenagers when I get them, as a happy hacker, I only want a horse who has completed its competitive career.
So I rug them when it is cold and put on warmer rugs when it is colder. They are not clipped at all and live out as much as possible, but both my current horses have been competing or racing in their previous lives. It would be very cruel methinks to leave them naked now.
However, when I had my old mare, Ferrie and I thought she could do with a rug, I would hold it up to her, if she wanted it on she would sidle up to me and stand quietly while I placed it on her back, in the field, without her being held at all. If she gave me a filthy look and stomped off, she obviously thought she was warm enough.
I could not do this with my two geldings. The tb is so well mannered, he would just stand there out of good manners and the other one, the Appy would tear off into the distance just to be awkward. However, they both looked very happy this afternoon when they were turned out in their winter grazing for the first time, with lightweight rugs on.
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Post by nia2311 on Oct 27, 2012 17:42:51 GMT
Well here we have our three year old staging a protest... "I want a rug"!!!!! ;D Love that pic greasedweasel ;D |
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Post by prettyreckless on Oct 27, 2012 18:05:47 GMT
going to say the same nia3211.. made me chuckle.. thats what my 3 year old does! bugger is tearing chunks out my others rugs lol
i think people may have missed my point..
im not disputing how others look after theres.. if it needs a rug rug it if it needs clipping then clip it... if you need to justify your actions then your obviously doing something wrong..
people dont need to go and on and on and then on some more about putting there points across...
yes you can put your experience across but i find it insulting when who ever is asking the question for what ever reason is then called cruel simply because you have a different view...
poor op on the clipping thread is prob wondering why she bothered! lol
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Post by greasedweasel on Oct 27, 2012 18:35:38 GMT
Look into these sad cold eyes....!!!
His poor sister now knows why she has a cheap ebay special (which to be fair I'm pleased with so far) ;D
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Post by prettyreckless on Oct 27, 2012 18:38:40 GMT
Look into these sad cold eyes....!!! His poor sister now knows why she has a cheap ebay special (which to be fair I'm pleased with so far) ;D haha thast funny ;D i buy the ebay ones! less painfull when they end up in 3 pieces scattered arounf my fields lol |
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Post by nici on Oct 28, 2012 19:23:57 GMT
going to say the same nia3211.. made me chuckle.. thats what my 3 year old does! bugger is tearing chunks out my others rugs lol i think people may have missed my point.. im not disputing how others look after theres.. if it needs a rug rug it if it needs clipping then clip it... if you need to justify your actions then your obviously doing something wrong.. people dont need to go and on and on and then on some more about putting there points across... yes you can put your experience across but i find it insulting when who ever is asking the question for what ever reason is then called cruel simply because you have a different view... poor op on the clipping thread is prob wondering why she bothered! lol Well I for one am very grateful to some on here for giving both their views and the reasons behind them. I have learned so much from some HG members, and my ponies are so much better off for it. I enjoy reading the threads where people give well reasoned positions, and I can then do my own further research etc before making up my own mind. Things I was taught when I first started riding, nearly 40 years ago, are not always considered right now - scientific knowledge, particularly about nutrition, health and disease, have grown enormously since then. |
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Post by sometime on Oct 28, 2012 19:52:59 GMT
I too glean a lot of information from this site some I agree with some I learn something new and some is blatantly not for me. I am sorry if people get upset by some of my more extreme views but I stand by my principles and have very good reasons for most of them I have made lots of mistakes learning to look after my horses I will openly admit to getting it wrong to the detriment of my horse but I have learned a lot in 47 years and like to keep up with the times too so am prepared to listen to any point of view whether I agree with it or not. One thing that would make me part with my horses altogether is if they could not spend more than 12 hours per day outside. Everything else I would be prepared to compromise on. That would be a compromise in itself as I much prefer 24/7 out. I have had thoroughbreds and natives and a lot in between I do used rugs I use them as appropriate for work weight and type and of course if they are working and clipped
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Post by ladywell on Oct 30, 2012 21:07:35 GMT
I have just read through the whole of the 'Should I clip a 3 year thread' - firstly sensible advice offered - then it got a bit nasty - and then it ended up with a bit of hilarious banter - nothing wrong with that!!  |
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Post by sarah14 on Oct 30, 2012 21:50:43 GMT
Well i always read things wrong and then comment :$ without thinking but i totally agree prettyreckless people these days dont seem to use common sense anymore, commenting on things they have no experience or knowledge about.
But sometimes people have to remember this is a page where every opinion will be expressed and we just have to pass by the ones we dont want to listen too!
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