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Post by catterall on Nov 11, 2012 19:15:49 GMT
HELP!
I own a 6 yr old mare who i broke without issue until it came to riding her freely she is stubborn and will not go forward stubborn as a mule is exact. she is county standard but im at my struggling she will tack up like its a day to day job but will not ride she sinks her feet into the ground and refushes to go forward. she has had her back checked by our vet and couldnt be more perfect and teeth have been checked.
Any help or advise is welcome as i so want to show her ridden but dont see how this is possible.
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Post by pencaedu on Nov 11, 2012 19:23:28 GMT
Try taking her hunting, usually encourages forward movement!!
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Post by speedysally on Nov 11, 2012 19:24:07 GMT
this sounds exactly what my mare used to do- my mum watched a parelli thing and she's always going on about how my horse is a 'right brain introvert' planting their feet ect and the stubborness...i'd say the best way is probably groundwork to start and then maybe get someone to stick you on the lunge and get her listening to your leg and voice command and praise her whenever she goes forward so she sees this as a positive thing. good luck :-)
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Post by highlandmad on Nov 11, 2012 20:08:22 GMT
im having the same problem with my highland mare. ive tried everything from spurs (only once as i hate them) to riding with two schooling whips. if shes lunged she is fab but as soon as im on her she doesnt want to move!!
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Post by dippymare on Nov 11, 2012 20:47:35 GMT
best to get on and have someone lead her while you just sit there. progress to give gentle aids until she understands, also get someone to lunge her with you on board and slowly swap control from lunge person to you. Reward every few steps of forward movement by stopping and getting off. and I have heard of someone tacking up, and just sitting on their horse, they get fed up and move around eventually. even having a cuppa sitting on the horse and just let it wander around. with them. Another thought I had was perhaps her saddle pinching when it is sat on? have you tried bareback? only to walk in a safe environment. maybe she feels restricted by the saddle or girth? Just a few ideas hope you get her improved soon. x
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Post by rosefinch on Nov 11, 2012 20:49:13 GMT
I saw something on this think it was a monty roberts or something and they got a bottle and filled it with stones and when the horse stopped a said person stood behind and shook the bottle - the noise startled the horse and it moved forward kept doing same until horse learned to move off freely. Probably clicker training would work in similar way.
I have quite a stubborn pba and I was going to use it on him when I broke him but he has been really good so not needed to
good luck
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Post by woldse on Nov 11, 2012 21:23:41 GMT
I have a horse who use to do this! I just sat for hours until she finally went I mean hours!
On a gelding I tried hunting him its totally reformed him got him moving and stopped rearing! He know is loving life! Don't get someone to lead or walk with u ur just creating more problems time is what you need!
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Post by carrie17491 on Nov 11, 2012 23:48:01 GMT
Take her out hacking with a friend. Sounds to me like she's got a confidence issue. Don't bully her or scare her by shaking bottles of stones as this is a ridiculous way to make her go forward, you'll be encouraging her to bolt!!!
Be calm but firm and talk to her. When she walks forward with her friend squeeze gently and tell her to walk on. She will soon link the two together. I have had horses for breaking that have had this exact issue. Once she's got some confidence hacking try exercise whilst out. Ask her to stand whilst her friend walks away and then give the command to walk on. She again will then link the two together.
Once she has established this take her for a walk down the yard on her own asking her to stand then move off and praise her. It comes with practise with babies, the three p's: practice, persist, praise.
Also, I've found that the three stages help, "SAT" - suggest, ask, tell.
Suggest that she walks on by lightening your seat and easing her on. If she doesn't respond to this give her a firm "forward" command. If she doesn't respond again you tell her to "move on" by giving her a sharp tap behind the girth encouraging her to go forward. The d mare I ride was like this, I persevered and used the "SAT" method and now she's a dream. There's no point in giving her lots of niggles, one big firm command and she will understand.
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Post by catterall on Nov 12, 2012 9:39:48 GMT
I am appreciating all these hints in addition she has been with us since a yearling. She will only lunge without me on and i ve tried bear back to see if the saddle was an issue, no chnge. I have tried nicely nicley and i have requested with reasonable force ie sharp request behind the leg she just backs into it and becomes angry and more determinded so reallly i ve tried all thing riding with another horse she s not interested. yet her general nature is sweet she can be grumpy in the stable. Do moody mare supplements help. Please keep posting ideas. Thank you.
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Post by Mari on Nov 12, 2012 9:49:12 GMT
I had the same problem with a mare, 100% county standard, broken in without problems then became stubborn
To cut a long story short she became more and more stubborn and moody when being ridden she started every trick the book to avoid being ridden, she did start to become dangerous though so we decided to call it a day ridden
She is really sweet mare kind on the ground but its a different story when she is ridden , it's been 4 yrs and we use her as a brood mare and a nanny to others the weanlings now and she is happy as larry
Sorry it's not much help just thought I would share my experience.
Good luck with your mare x
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Post by Kaseyleigh on Nov 12, 2012 14:29:48 GMT
Get out hacking is the best thing for a broken horse
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Post by carrie17491 on Nov 12, 2012 15:16:31 GMT
I am appreciating all these hints in addition she has been with us since a yearling. She will only lunge without me on and i ve tried bear back to see if the saddle was an issue, no chnge. I have tried nicely nicley and i have requested with reasonable force ie sharp request behind the leg she just backs into it and becomes angry and more determinded so reallly i ve tried all thing riding with another horse she s not interested. yet her general nature is sweet she can be grumpy in the stable. Do moody mare supplements help. Please keep posting ideas. Thank you. Wouldn't pump her with supplements - address the issue dont mask it  I would personally go back to basics and get her out long reining again until she realises she has to go forward. And lots of hacking!!! She may be bored of her job and that's why she doesn't want to go forward. |
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Post by catterall on Nov 12, 2012 20:04:32 GMT
Has anyone had a mare like this and actually got it riding ? and how ?
Please I dont want her to just be used inhand at the shows she moves to beautiful.
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Post by sarahp on Nov 13, 2012 8:00:08 GMT
Only physical thing I could think of is to wonder if the vet checked her ovaries? They lie quite near the surface and can be affected by weight on them. Otherwise as carrie says try long reining - I know some start off only going with someone at their head and don't have the confidence to go forward on their own without that.
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Post by busymare on Nov 13, 2012 18:21:20 GMT
My old mare was exactly like this after she was broken. She would freeze and nothing would get her moving again. As has already been suggested it was a confidence issue for mine. Once she was mannerly in the school I hacked her. If she saw anything scary she would freeze and you would be stuck there feeling a bit of a lemon! If it was dangerous I hopped off, moved her and jumped back on (not ideal but sometimes necessary). As long as it was safe I just reassured and encouraged until she would finally plunge forwards again. I was so happy the first day she spooked rather than froze- she was thinking forwards at last! And yes she came through it fine she's positively angelic now and teaching my OH how to ride. Good luck- don't give up they can turn out just fine  For mine it was just another way of coping I think she didn't want to be naughty but was so stressed out she didn't know what to do bless her- think exam day brain shutdown! |
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Post by fanfarefan on Nov 13, 2012 19:39:10 GMT
Sarahp , my thought entirely , we had a mare many years ago , who was the same ,it eventually transpired she had cystic ovaries !!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 20:06:59 GMT
Has anyone had a mare like this and actually got it riding ? and how ? Please I dont want her to just be used inhand at the shows she moves to beautiful. Yes I have My mare had time off due to injury and foal. She came sound and was put back into work. She had no pain whatsoever - as checked by vet, physio etc. She just had developed "attitude" as being in charge - having bossed her foal about for so long. She would rear vertical with me and then plunge and rear again. Not nice and very dangerous. All in her refusal to go forward. I took her to a local professional- who has an excellent reputation for problem horses. He took her bridle off and just put in a simple snaffle - no noseband or anything. He had no stick and he didnt shout. Everytime she refused to move or threatened to rear, he pushed her into gallop. She was flummoxed by this approach and within 15 minutes, she was doing as she was told. He only rode her twice and it gave me the confidence to do the same. She still has her little tantrums and refuses to move - but now I know how to cope with them - they are short lived and she is working well. Best of luck with your mare xxx |
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Post by gg04 on Nov 15, 2012 21:52:00 GMT
Where are you based? My mare was a complete c** now your granny could ride her. Same issues. pm me if you want help
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Post by catterall on Nov 15, 2012 22:53:38 GMT
I am based chorley lancs... What did you do to get her to go as i believe i ve tried most things but im open to ideas which is why i ve posted on here.
Cant wait to hear what you did!
Thanks
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Post by vickymphillips on Nov 23, 2012 22:03:53 GMT
My mare used to do this, had a friend come out hacking behind us on foot. She used to shout and flap from behind when my mare backed off. Slowly she got further and further back. No problems anymore |
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Post by equineunity on Dec 3, 2012 19:04:30 GMT
Hi, i would go back to groundwork, longlinging and reward with pressure and release when she takes positive steps forward. Then use someone on the ground to help you that uses the same body langauge as you. I also suggest a giddy up rope for pressure and release. Ive trained many horses like this. (including case study of a hignland you can see on my website www.equineunity.co.uk under Remedial Horses- Saxon) Pm me for more help Thanks, Dani |
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For mine it was just another way of coping I think she didn't want to be naughty but was so stressed out she didn't know what to do bless her- think exam day brain shutdown! 