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Post by Jessica on Nov 18, 2012 11:04:54 GMT
This may be long to give you the full picture.
At my partners parents house (where I live too) they have 5 dogs. A german shepard, bull mastiff, beagle, jack russel and a jack x yorkie. All dogs used to get on fine, the jacks live in doors at night together, and all other dogs have kennels outside, they are all outside during the day togther as have a large garden, and have the run of it. If we go out the jack russels and beagle are shut in a kennel together. So you can imagine the bond.
Twice now the pure jack russel who is a bit*h has attacked the beagle who is also a bit*h. The only way to split them up, is the chuck water at them. Twice she has ended up with a cut on her leg, and this time a nick in her ear (beagle).
The jack russel is my dog, so really don't wanna be getting rid of her, but what is my next option? They are both jeleous dogs. Love them all to bits.
Trouble is, once one starts they all like to join in! Then we have a mass brawl!
Need some advice and help!! Please....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 11:17:29 GMT
Do you have to shut the beagle in with the jack russels when you go out? Or is there no other option
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Post by Jessica on Nov 18, 2012 11:21:40 GMT
They don't fight in the run, its only when they are outside. There is another option the beagle does have her own kennel. But they never fight in the run. We leave them in together because they enjoy each others company most the time! :/
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Post by Muffin5 on Nov 18, 2012 13:07:31 GMT
They are probably doing this due to hormones. One could be coming in season maybe. Or how old are they? They are probably trying to see who top dog ? This can be quite common
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Post by Jessica on Nov 18, 2012 14:02:52 GMT
The beagle is 8, and the jack russel Is just over 1.
My thoughts too could be hormones, the GSD is in season at the moment, the jack russell isn't due for a season till march, but she did have once before she was 6months, which I thought was very strange! :/
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Post by jeanslater on Nov 18, 2012 14:50:32 GMT
What a recipe for disaster and thats just what it is , a disaster waiting to happen. A beagle is a hound, fairly peaceloving, a jrt - well terrier instict plus both bit*hes. The moral of the story is once the grudge match is there, its there for keeps - dont mix them together, and if the mastiff /shepherd start someone will end up dead. Its ok saying they are usually fine, its the day they arent when you cant split them or arent there you will come back to at least one dog ripped to shreds by the others. It just wont work, beleive me I speak from experience.
and if they are like this now and not hormonal - god help you or the poor dogs when they are
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Post by janet on Nov 18, 2012 15:04:41 GMT
I would think the J R is trying to be top dog as now getting to be an adult, a friend had 2 french bulldogs both male and had to rehome the younger one which I now have, he fought with my frenchie bit*h , they hated each other, she was put down for a health issue and he is fine with the new one as he is dominant, I think you will have to rehome the younger one for all your sakes
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Post by viking on Nov 18, 2012 15:19:22 GMT
Sooner or later there will be a very nasty fight. I agree with Jeanslater on this one.
A mix that is a recipe for disaster.
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Post by Muffin5 on Nov 18, 2012 16:51:10 GMT
I have 7 mini dachshunds and they all can be hormonal and sqobble at times you ll just have to monitor it and if it gets worse and it's not a hormonal thing then you ll have to separate them. I had one nasty one and it was upsetting the whole pack and she eventually killed one of my others which was absolutely devasting. But that was because she was the bottom of the pack. So we got rid of the nasty one as it just wasn't worth it so now she's on her own the moody so and so. But now she's gone they are all very happy and settled.
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Post by Jessica on Nov 18, 2012 17:51:38 GMT
We have had the JR since she was a pup, previosly we had a JR x and never had a problem. I asked for advice on how to resolve this issue, and try deal with it. Not to tell me that the dogs will end up killing each other.
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Post by Em5 on Nov 18, 2012 18:06:15 GMT
I think.everyone is just trying to.help.you Jessica, and tell you the potential risks if.you keep.them together. There not trying to upset you, it is a possibility. If you want to keep all.the dogs together it may be worth consulting a.behaviourist, before one pf your dogs gets seriously hurt. Hope you work it out.
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Post by Muffin5 on Nov 18, 2012 18:22:41 GMT
Never said that. Only trying to help you out here. Explaining my experience. Stop jumping to conclusions.
You ll just have to sort it yourself you know yor dogs more than anyone else
Anyways hope all works out, good luck x
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Post by viking on Nov 18, 2012 18:28:11 GMT
Jessica, I don't think there is a way of resolving the problem short of keeping them separate, certainly not trying to upset you, but I am not going to try to suggest a solution that I don't think will work.
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Post by Tralala on Nov 18, 2012 18:29:13 GMT
Getting them (or at least your JR) spayed would probably help, as its possibly a pack order issue and lots of hormonal girls together can be trouble. I would split them when you are not there to keep an eye on them then at least you know they are safe. 5 dogs is a pack no matter how well they get along and inevitably there will be squabbles for top rank, especially if they are mixed ages. I really feel for you as its very stressful when these things happen. Good luck
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 18, 2012 18:35:14 GMT
Totally agree, get them spayed. I had 2 bit*hes many years ago who nearly killed each other. After spaying they calmed down
Sorry but agree with others, if the mastiff etc gets involved, your in trouble.
I would also say that if bit*hes are fighting it's also because there is no human pack leader. Assert your dominance on all of them and become the boss
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Post by brindlerainbow on Nov 18, 2012 18:39:07 GMT
I would keep them seperate all the time unless supervised. A boxer breeder that I know who had dogs kept in a similar situation to yours but all boxers came home to find a fight had broken out, 1 bi*ch dead and another so badly injured that had to be PTS. These were dogs that lived together and travelled to shows together and knew each other and got on well. Once that grudge is there it will never go away. Although they don't fight in the run yet im pretty certain they will soon start because the grudge is now there
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Post by Jessica on Nov 18, 2012 19:02:08 GMT
The mastiff for a start is probably the softest thing you'll ever find, much more soft that all the others, my worry would be the GSD. As I say they are NOT my dogs, apart the the JR who I take sole charge of. We have never had a problem before but always seems to be when its season time.
It seems to be when someones making a fuss of another dog they all get jelous.
They have all been calm as anything this afternoon, and the JR and beagle are currently snuggled up in the basket together.
Sorry for snapping, my ultamate worry if ill have to get rid of my JR, but love her to bits. As for having her done ifshe was all my dog I would have her done straight away. But as she is actually my partners mums, I don't really have the choice.
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 18, 2012 19:26:25 GMT
Maybe suggest to your partners mum that she gets her spayed as soon as
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 18, 2012 19:29:28 GMT
Sorry you said initially the jr was your dog. So if its not your dog just offer the advice
As for the mastiff being a softy, my Irish setters are but my 2 girls nearly killed each other. Resulted in one having half it's throat ripped open, both in the vets and my mother in hospital.
Get in a professional dog behaviourist and do it quick. Sorry not a good situation
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Post by jeanslater on Nov 18, 2012 20:10:22 GMT
totally disagree that getting the jrt spayed or even any dogs neutered helps, all that does is gives off mixed messages and the spayed bit*h will certainly become the victim dog. I ran a pack of over 20 terriers for many years and believe me, i'm not scaremongering, just being honest. the pack had to be split because of infighting. The mexican stand off is the first clue that a fight is going to start and believe me its one in all in.
you may think I'm being harsh , I'm not, I've seen it happen and the phone used to never stop with people asking for advise, if they disregarded the signs, they would then ring up all upset because they lost a dog, I once sold a pup to a guy who had a large mastiff type, while he was on the phone the mastiff ripped the terrier apart over a huge pile of bones, its so easy to happen, but easier to ebb on the side of prevention.
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Post by dogandbone on Nov 19, 2012 14:47:56 GMT
I totally agree with Jeanslater too - I used to have Border Terriers, all great friends from pups, but one day a fight started, and then we would go for days and days, sometimes weeks with them all sharing beds etc etc, Then another fight, and then another and each one worse, - one scratch then two then more.
I rehomed them, explaining the reason to the new owners, and making sure they went as 'only' dogs, and they have all lived long and very happy lives. Terriers will be terriers. They are bred to kill (vermin!) not each other but.............!
A dog behaviourist may well be able to help you, but it is not a quick fix, and takes hours and hours of work with all the dogs on your part, EVERY day, to implement the building blocks the behaviourist gives you, and their advice doesn't come cheap!
Good Luck!
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Post by B_31 on Nov 19, 2012 15:08:58 GMT
agree with jeanslater
i had 2 bit*hes together at home and they did fight - both spayed too....! so dosent solve everything
they were best of mates 99% of the time, then just a few times - turned... luckily i was there else it could have been really nasty - they were in crates when unsupervised
current dogs are a dog and bit*h - i fully expect a dominance fight when pup is 12-18 months but aagin - they are always supervised unless we arnt in then they are crate trained
tbh what you describe is a recipe for disaster... spay/neuter and have separate kennels...they may be ok now but one day they will turn if they are already.......!
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Post by nia2311 on Nov 19, 2012 15:26:42 GMT
My next door neighbours have this problem. They have introduced two younger guarding breeds to an older mongrel cross who is the softest creature on earth. Twice now I have had to run into my back garden and turn my hosepipe onto these fighting dogs over the fence. On one occasion, I had to scream to next door's daughter (early 20s) to get herself out of the way as she was trying to separate them by hand. She was bitten on her arm and ended up in A&E having tetanus jabs and all sorts. I advised them that the fighting was due to the younger dogs fighting for "top dog" status that the older dog had previously enjoyed. On the last occasion, one dog had another by the throat, and it was only my intevention over the fence that separated them.
The other posters are, sadly, correct. The combination of breeds, ages and the fact they are hormonal is causing the fighting and only separating them will cure the problem. Jeanslater is quite correct that this situation could result in severe injuries or death of one dog, and/or seemingly placid dogs turning on people. That is what happened next door to me, and I am constantly terrified that my neighbours, who have NOT separated their dogs, will be injured or killed in the midst of this fighting. I have called dog wardens etc, but they are not interested in private goings-on apparently.
I hope you can find a living arrangement that works for all involved.
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Post by dazycutter on Nov 19, 2012 20:04:09 GMT
All I can say from experience is having them spayed helped. What is key is that it appears no one is pack leader which is what you need to address
My 2 bit*hes in question never fought if I was around, only when they were at my parents.
For now I would keep them separate when your bot around
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 20:27:00 GMT
The 2 fighting alone are a problem, obviously, but I honestly think that the mastiff, no matter how quiet, is a danger as much as the GS, and as much as the others to be honest! Imagine yourself in the same situation, if you felt as though you were being threatened, physically, your initial instinct is to retaliate! Now think of dogs, their instinct is definitely to retaliate! If any of them are put in a position in which it is threatened, and all hell will break loose! It's the same for them all, surely it is much better to seperate, than to discover one injured! It's just not worth the risk!
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