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Post by lisadundee on Dec 31, 2012 15:54:42 GMT
I am absolutely livid! I was contacted by a lady almost two years ago and asked if I would take her section D mare on a breeding loan as she specifically wanted it to come to my stud as she knew the mare would be cared for!
I took the mare and signed a loan agreement, I covered the mare with my stallion and cared for the mare as my own, paid for all care costs, haylage, feed, worming, trimming, dentistry, 3 scans! And at the end I got a lovely filly foal, not ONCE did the owner contact me or come and see her mare in a year and a half!
I contacted her to give notice to return her mare approx 6 weeks before weaning and was told I'd have to deliver her as she had no transport even though the weekend I was delivering the mare I had to go on Sunday because on the Saturday she was taking her other horse to a show! But I delivered the mare a 3 hour round trip journey back to her owner fit and healthy and in very good condition.
That same week I posted the registration form off to the WPCS to be asked for a copy of the loan agreement which i sent in immediately, only to be then told that because the mare is not in her owners name and is still in the breeders name that I can not register my foal! I had no idea about this rule!
I have contacted the owner of the mare numerous times on Facebook and by phone! She has read my Facebook messages and not replied and on the phone always says she will post them it just slipped her mind!
I have even offered to go travel and pick the passport up and pay for it updating and send it in to the WPCS myself!!
I have sold the foal to a really really good home and the lady understandably wants the passport for her foal! I have explained to the mares owner that the foal which is very well bred deserves her breed papers so she can keep her good home!
The owner of the mare is on Horse Gossip and I don't want to name her as I am hoping she will find a shred of decency within herself and send the mares passport in!!
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Post by 09rebel99 on Dec 31, 2012 16:00:06 GMT
Gosh, sounds like a bit of a mess really. Don't know what to say other than I hope you get it sorted soon xx
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Post by lisadundee on Dec 31, 2012 16:03:56 GMT
Gosh, sounds like a bit of a mess really. Don't know what to say other than I hope you get it sorted soon xx i know but there's absolutely nothing I can do if that woman won't send in her mares passport for updating and that will mean that I have kept her mare for nothing for almost two years and I am going to end up getting a foal back that I found the best home ever for and I am going to have a worthless unregistered foal that is actually really well bred! |
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Post by rightrein92 on Dec 31, 2012 16:04:45 GMT
So many foals are being dragged from sale to sale going for as little as 2 guineas , this foal has a real chance of having a good life and the potential to do well with someone who is willing to put the work in and she can't even be asked to update a passport to give the foal a chance  ? Shame on her I say !!!! Pure selfishness |
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Post by sarahp on Dec 31, 2012 16:11:32 GMT
I do so sympathise, a similar thing happened to me but with a stallion I used that was on loan without a loan agreement being in place, and again I had already sold the resulting foal. Many will say one should check first, but I trusted that in my situation all paperwork would be properly done - it did get sorted out in the end so I won't name the body concerned but after lots and lots of pleas for the owner, not the loanee, to get his act in order it was all sorted in the nick of time before I threatened to take the whole thing to H&H, which would not have looked good.
The only saving grace is that having sent your registration form in already, you shouldn't have to pay late registration fees! Are you sure she does actually have the passport for this mare? Fingers crossed it all gets sorted out for you. sorry, not much help but much sympathy because I've been there!
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Post by lisadundee on Dec 31, 2012 16:14:12 GMT
So many foals are being dragged from sale to sale going for as little as 2 guineas , this foal has a real chance of having a good life and the potential to do well with someone who is willing to put the work in and she can't even be asked to update a passport to give the foal a chance ? Shame on her I say !!!! Pure selfishness exactly! I will name and shame her as a last resort! I was warned about her too but I didn't think there was any risk on my part as I was taking her mare ad not giving her anything or trusting her with anything! |
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Post by lisadundee on Dec 31, 2012 16:15:23 GMT
I do so sympathise, a similar thing happened to me but with a stallion I used that was on loan without a loan agreement being in place, and again I had already sold the resulting foal. Many will say one should check first, but I trusted that in my situation all paperwork would be properly done - it did get sorted out in the end so I won't name the body concerned but after lots and lots of pleas for the owner, not the loanee, to get his act in order it was all sorted in the nick of time before I threatened to take the whole thing to H&H, which would not have looked good. The only saving grace is that having sent your registration form in already, you shouldn't have to pay late registration fees! Are you sure she does actually have the passport for this mare? Fingers crossed it all gets sorted out for you. sorry, not much help but much sympathy because I've been there! she definitely has the passport because she gave me a photo copy of it with the mare |
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Post by sarahp on Dec 31, 2012 16:17:05 GMT
Would the breeder give a legal statement that he/she sold the mare to the now owner, maybe you can get round it that way? Presumably the mare is named and identified in the loan agreement? Obviously you'd have to check what WPCS would accept first.
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Post by lisadundee on Dec 31, 2012 16:19:22 GMT
Would the breeder give a legal statement that he/she sold the mare to the now owner, maybe you can get round it that way? Presumably the mare is named and identified in the loan agreement? Obviously you'd have to check what WPCS would accept first. i will try that, the mare was bred by Maesmynach Stud and he is quite friendly with the woman by what she has told me! |
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Post by kayjayem on Dec 31, 2012 20:32:24 GMT
Would the breeder give a legal statement that he/she sold the mare to the now owner, maybe you can get round it that way? Presumably the mare is named and identified in the loan agreement? Obviously you'd have to check what WPCS would accept first. i will try that, the mare was bred by Maesmynach Stud and he is quite friendly with the woman by what she has told me! Don't believe everything she has said, obviously the truth doesn't come easily. I would definately contact the previous owners as they should be able to resolve your situation. Good luck!! |
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Post by lisadundee on Jan 1, 2013 14:36:10 GMT
AFTER BEING IGNORED FURTHER I HAVE DECIDED TO NAME AND SHAME CAROLYN POOLEY / KILSHAW! Stables at LONGSIGHT STABLE, LONGSIGHT ROAD, BLACKBURN, LANCASHIRE!!
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Post by viking on Jan 1, 2013 19:13:10 GMT
AFTER BEING IGNORED FURTHER I HAVE DECIDED TO NAME AND SHAME CAROLYN POOLEY / KILSHAW! Stables at LONGSIGHT STABLE, LONGSIGHT ROAD, BLACKBURN, LANCASHIRE!! Come on Carolyn, do the right thing. |
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Post by kayjayem on Jan 1, 2013 23:42:34 GMT
What a shame you had to do that  I would still be tempted to contact the mares breeder, he will probably have more of a moral conscience and responsibility to the mare and help you out. You can't fathom some people out can you, I hope no-one else gets taken in by her  |
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Post by lisadundee on Jan 2, 2013 17:33:37 GMT
Her husband text me yesterday and promised me that he would contact the WPCS himself today and to expect a phone call from him before noon today to let me know what is going on!
It's no surprise I got no phone call and he did not respond to my text asking yet again what was happening!
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Post by viking on Jan 2, 2013 17:46:58 GMT
Maybe he couldn't get through to WPCS. Hopefully he is on the case and you will hear.
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Post by lisadundee on Jan 4, 2013 6:59:03 GMT
Maybe he couldn't get through to WPCS. Hopefully he is on the case and you will hear. Still no news! I am seeking legal advice! |
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Post by sarahp on Jan 4, 2013 7:36:55 GMT
Have you checked their opening dates over Christmas and the New Year? Maybe the office is shut, it is a proper working office and not run from someone's front room as some breed societies can be. Or were, anyway, don't jump on me if I'm wrong about that nowadays!
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Post by lisadundee on Jan 4, 2013 9:31:34 GMT
No they are open I've spoken to them x
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Post by viking on Jan 4, 2013 14:56:50 GMT
Oh dear. I did hope the husband would resolve the matter.
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Post by rightrein92 on Jan 4, 2013 15:00:55 GMT
So inconsiderate of them I feel for the foal they should want to give the little horse a chance of a good life xx
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Post by m1hht on Jan 5, 2013 20:24:11 GMT
I contacted the previous owner of my pony and asked him to sign the passport to say he'd sold the pony, (which didn't come directly to me) and he was lovely about the whole thing. Any chance you could contact the breeder yourself? Good luck :-)
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? Shame on her I say !!!! Pure selfishness
I would still be tempted to contact the mares breeder, he will probably have more of a moral conscience and responsibility to the mare and help you out. You can't fathom some people out can you, I hope no-one else gets taken in by her 
