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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 15:31:30 GMT
Having just spoken with a friend who hasnt long been off the phone to NPS re membership she was told they are not having a card sysytem  i have renewed but how will this work unless we have to do pony registrations also the lady she spoke too could not tell her how things would work and she would have to wait to hear  why cant anyone in the office give you an answer anymore  |
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Post by nimbus123 on Jan 10, 2013 16:20:34 GMT
I phoned NPS today, re my membership, as I did mine two weeks before Christmas, they did not say anything about that... just said they would be sending them out next week...
Just have to wait and see what I get....
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Post by GaynorStones on Jan 10, 2013 16:48:01 GMT
Dont understand that - you have to show your card before you enter ring for RI whp quals so they know you are a member. Ive just sent my membership off so will see what happens.
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Post by samd on Jan 10, 2013 16:48:20 GMT
Same here, they told me cards/memberships will be sent out next week. This was on monday.
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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 16:54:23 GMT
i hope we do get cards
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Post by nimbus123 on Jan 10, 2013 17:16:37 GMT
I am wondering how it will work!! Last year I joined as an adult and 2 x junior for my girls, My Daughter quailified her pony for the picton, and because she only had her junior membership in her pocket, she was not allowed the qualify, i was standing at the ring, but was not allowed to bring my card into the ring! I phoned NPS and got a refund for the junior membership and got copies of my card for them...( Lesson Learnt ) but without a card system how will it work...
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jan 10, 2013 17:20:37 GMT
you wont need to show cards anymore - memberships will be checked oncethe results go back to the office
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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 17:24:50 GMT
but vicky what if i have 2 ponies in the ring with 2 different riders how will they know who/what has qualifed
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Post by Guestless on Jan 10, 2013 17:43:12 GMT
but vicky what if i have 2 ponies in the ring with 2 different riders how will they know who/what has qualifed If the ponies are registered as belonging to you then maybe that will be enough. Will be interesting to see how it develops but I guess if we can do HOYS quals without cards, then Grandstand Media won't see a reason for us to have them for other quals - possibly a saving which may help the pennies. |
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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 17:45:21 GMT
Guestless- this will then mean we will have to pay pony registraions |
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Post by janetbushell on Jan 10, 2013 18:03:01 GMT
My understanding is that it is the qualifying cards that are not being issued in the ring - the top 3 placed animals will be notified to the NPS by the show secretary, so that they will know who has qualified (not RIHS WHP)
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Post by paul on Jan 10, 2013 18:22:07 GMT
Quite right JanetBushell, that is my understanding of the situation.
As long as the show secretary is organised and gets the results back to the NPS office, I can't see a problem!
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Post by julieb on Jan 10, 2013 18:27:10 GMT
Will the top 3 qualify for all the summer champs or just the Spring festival?
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Post by tangerine on Jan 10, 2013 18:42:24 GMT
Both shows
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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 18:46:50 GMT
how come u guys can answer this but the lady in the office couldnt?
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Post by npsarea25sec on Jan 10, 2013 19:27:47 GMT
Probably because we have read the new affiliation rules sent to Show Secretaries and available online. The only problem I have is that I understand that the Silver Medal rosettes will only be sent out once the results have been verified - not alot of joy receiving a rosette in the post up to 3 weeks after the event - I did bring this up at the Area Chairmans meeting so I will be interested to find out if this will remain.
Also the results will depend on the accuracy of the entry forms so it is essential that competitors will complete entry forms legibly so that the Show Secretary can forward the correct results to the office.
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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 19:53:57 GMT
NPS answered my question online here it is
Hi As regards qualification cards, you are correct that these will no longer be issued, an up to date list of qualified ponies will be posted on the NPS website, updated weekly. There will no longer be the necessity to carry a Membership Card in the ring to claim your qualification, and it is hoped that this will make the system much easier for everyone, and save those disappointing moments when the rider has left the card in the lorry
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jan 10, 2013 19:56:02 GMT
Probably because we have read the new affiliation rules sent to Show Secretaries and available online. The only problem I have is that I understand that the Silver Medal rosettes will only be sent out once the results have been verified - not alot of joy receiving a rosette in the post up to 3 weeks after the event - I did bring this up at the Area Chairmans meeting so I will be interested to find out if this will remain. Also the results will depend on the accuracy of the entry forms so it is essential that competitors will complete entry forms legibly so that the Show Secretary can forward the correct results to the office. yep thats exactly the reason why we know! to be honest i cant really see a problem with it! Show secs send in the results. NPS work out which ponies have qualified on the day and send the competitor the card. Also there is often a moaning thread on here about people taking qualifying cards when they have already qualified to stop other people qualifying - this would stop this happening! forester = not quite sure what you mean with your comment how would they know which pony of yours qualifies if you have two in the class. Surely its the top three in the class whoever they are owned by? |
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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 20:24:58 GMT
see its normally the highest placed within the top 3 that qualify not all 3 (unless its the winter series)
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Post by holmedown on Jan 10, 2013 20:33:36 GMT
only thing I see as a shame, as someone else put, is the silver medal rosettes (in-hand / ridden).
could it happen that shows on consecutive days exhib A wins both days - 2nd place on 2nd day should therefore qualify, but would depend which show sec sends the results in first ? as 2nd on the first day may qualify instead
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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 20:46:16 GMT
only thing I see as a shame, as someone else put, is the silver medal rosettes (in-hand / ridden). could it happen that shows on consecutive days exhib A wins both days - 2nd place on 2nd day should therefore qualify, but would depend which show sec sends the results in first ? as 2nd on the first day may qualify instead i quite agree and also i would like to know at the show if i have qualified or not seeing as its the highest placed within the top 3 not already qualfied gets the ticket i could be 2nd and qualified but wont know for a few weeks  |
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Post by roseview on Jan 10, 2013 21:06:58 GMT
I understand it to be that the first three will qualify, provided they are a paid up full member, so if you are in the first three then you will qualify. It does not go down the line. If the first three have qualified or not members then nobody qualifies.
Exhibitors need to ensure that entries are made in the name of the registered owner who is the NPS member, otherwise you won't get your qualification.
Saying that, I'm not sure what will happen if a producer enters ponies in their name, as often happens, and they are a member but the owner is not. NPS will have no way of knowing from the results. Maybe this needs to be raised with the office.
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Post by Guestless on Jan 10, 2013 21:08:00 GMT
It will be a pity if silver medal rosettes aren't given at the time of winning them - we can't be far away from a day where all necessary data will held centrally and available for show secretaries to tap into.....hopefully! I don't think show societies are really making the most of the abundance of technology available to them.
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Post by helle on Jan 10, 2013 21:27:06 GMT
I agree that it would be a shame for the silver medal not to be given on the day.
I suppose in many ways it simplifies the system slightly. You have to be in the top 3, simple as. No handing down of cards, and discussing who should have it/ shouldn't have it.
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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 21:50:10 GMT
I understand it to be that the first three will qualify, provided they are a paid up full member, so if you are in the first three then you will qualify. It does not go down the line. If the first three have qualified or not members then nobody qualifies. Exhibitors need to ensure that entries are made in the name of the registered owner who is the NPS member, otherwise you won't get your qualification. Saying that, I'm not sure what will happen if a producer enters ponies in their name, as often happens, and they are a member but the owner is not. NPS will have no way of knowing from the results. Maybe this needs to be raised with the office. is this a new rule for the summer champs? |
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Post by ellanorenatives on Jan 10, 2013 22:04:33 GMT
I get it, top 3 qualify, it doesnt matter whether 1st has already qualified and your 2nd or 3rd as you also qualify anyway. but what i dont get is that we now no longer get our silver medal rosettes in the ring!!!! so we cant even have a delightful pic of our proud moment in the ring with our rosettes, this really is a shame. but i get the rest, Summer champs are basically being run the same as Winter champs? (i hope i have got it else im looking like a numpty right now) xx |
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Post by GaynorStones on Jan 10, 2013 22:23:50 GMT
So that means the finals will be much larger classes if the first 3 qualify as it has only been the highest placed in the top 3. What about RI whp? Will it still be highest placed not qualified in top 3?
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Post by forester on Jan 10, 2013 22:31:54 GMT
look on nps facebook they have answered the question
RI/HOYS would still be the highest not qualified
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Post by GaynorStones on Jan 10, 2013 22:36:26 GMT
Thanks forester havent been on facebook yet!
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jan 10, 2013 22:39:58 GMT
I understand it to be that the first three will qualify, provided they are a paid up full member, so if you are in the first three then you will qualify. It does not go down the line. If the first three have qualified or not members then nobody qualifies. Exhibitors need to ensure that entries are made in the name of the registered owner who is the NPS member, otherwise you won't get your qualification. Saying that, I'm not sure what will happen if a producer enters ponies in their name, as often happens, and they are a member but the owner is not. NPS will have no way of knowing from the results. Maybe this needs to be raised with the office. see Rhi - i told you first three qualify but you didnt believe me!! lol |
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