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Post by titch on Jan 10, 2013 22:51:57 GMT
So glad that i have won a silver medal rosette (only the one) and i bought the pic of us winning it.
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Post by flower on Jan 11, 2013 8:04:38 GMT
I'm a little disappointed by these changes. There used to be a real sense of achievement in qualifying for the Picton/Peasedown/Ringside, but now it seems everyone will be able to qualify. No kudos in it any more. I assume we wont be be getting those lovely qualifier rosettes either. Always nice to win one as they were good for photo opportunities and were often nicer than the shows own rosettes!
I too am dismayed that the silver medal is to be posted out at a later date. It was always so special to win one on the day
Will be thinking long and hard about whether to join NPS this year, it seems that everything that I used to love about it is being eroded away.........
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Post by elmere on Jan 11, 2013 8:33:20 GMT
I think these are two positive changes by the NPS, I need to get my membership renewed. I think that yes there was more of a sense of achievemnet when only the highest qualified but the highest is not always the best on that day so I think it will constitute a much stronger final, some of which I am excited to see.  |
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Post by titch on Jan 11, 2013 9:34:30 GMT
some finals have 20 to 30 now there will be more i hope rosettes will go to 10 places. Anyone know about the qualifying rosettes?
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Post by bigmama on Jan 11, 2013 10:13:51 GMT
I'm a little disappointed by these changes. There used to be a real sense of achievement in qualifying for the Picton/Peasedown/Ringside, but now it seems everyone will be able to qualify. No kudos in it any more. I assume we wont be be getting those lovely qualifier rosettes either. Always nice to win one as they were good for photo opportunities and were often nicer than the shows own rosettes! I too am dismayed that the silver medal is to be posted out at a later date. It was always so special to win one on the day Will be thinking long and hard about whether to join NPS this year, it seems that everything that I used to love about it is being eroded away......... I am amazed that not receiving a qualifying rosette would stop someone from joining the NPS! The NPS is trying to get back on it's feet and is cutting it's cloth accordingly The 'used to be' has long gone ... times are a-changin across the showing world and the NPS must move on in order to survive, by not doing so in the past few years has brought the NPS to it's knees |
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Post by flower on Jan 11, 2013 10:22:33 GMT
I am amazed that not receiving a qualifying rosette would stop someone from joining the NPS!
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Well it's not just the about the rosettes, I agree, that would be silly! Although maybe im in a minority as rosettes do mean a lot to me. The loss of qualifier rosettes can't be attributed to the lean times as the sponsors pay for them
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Post by helle on Jan 11, 2013 10:31:15 GMT
I completely agree Flower, my daughter has a nice collection of the qualifier rosettes, and it looks even nicer when you have the finalist rosette to go with it as well  I think that having the first 3 qualify could in fact make the finals STRONGER, we all know that ponies who have already qualified still compete in the class throughout the year (and nothing wrong with that), and under last years rules the qualifier coluld go all the way down to 6th place. The 'danger' is of course that the same 3 ponies keep getting placed in the top 3 in the same area thoroughout the year - in which case they proberbly deserve to be in the final more than anyone else None of this willl stop me renewing my menbership this year, but we will see about next year!! |
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Post by jigsaw on Jan 11, 2013 10:42:27 GMT
NPS answered my question online here it is Hi As regards qualification cards, you are correct that these will no longer be issued, an up to date list of qualified ponies will be posted on the NPS website, updated weekly. There will no longer be the necessity to carry a Membership Card in the ring to claim your qualification, and it is hoped that this will make the system much easier for everyone, and save those disappointing moments when the rider has left the card in the lorry I also hope they remember to update the website with the name of those who have already qualified for 2013 qualifiers |
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Post by forester on Jan 11, 2013 11:34:02 GMT
I understand it to be that the first three will qualify, provided they are a paid up full member, so if you are in the first three then you will qualify. It does not go down the line. If the first three have qualified or not members then nobody qualifies. Exhibitors need to ensure that entries are made in the name of the registered owner who is the NPS member, otherwise you won't get your qualification. Saying that, I'm not sure what will happen if a producer enters ponies in their name, as often happens, and they are a member but the owner is not. NPS will have no way of knowing from the results. Maybe this needs to be raised with the office. see Rhi - i told you first three qualify but you didnt believe me!! lol thats because you said it had always been first 3  and it never has, oh well i suppose if there is only 3 in the class and the pony goes pants you will still qualify  cant see the achievement in that myself  |
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Post by forester on Jan 11, 2013 11:36:24 GMT
I completely agree Flower, my daughter has a nice collection of the qualifier rosettes, and it looks even nicer when you have the finalist rosette to go with it as well I think that having the first 3 qualify could in fact make the finals STRONGER, we all know that ponies who have already qualified still compete in the class throughout the year (and nothing wrong with that), and under last years rules the qualifier coluld go all the way down to 6th place. The 'danger' is of course that the same 3 ponies keep getting placed in the top 3 in the same area thoroughout the year - in which case they proberbly deserve to be in the final more than anyone else None of this willl stop me renewing my menbership this year, but we will see about next year!! Helle only in the winters does it go down to 6th i have never know it to be 6 in the summers! |
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Post by melody on Jan 11, 2013 13:11:35 GMT
I think these are two positive changes by the NPS, I need to get my membership renewed. I think that yes there was more of a sense of achievemnet when only the highest qualified but the highest is not always the best on that day so I think it will constitute a much stronger final, some of which I am excited to see. Quite often, especially in Scotland, the pony that qualified, then did not go South for the final. At least this way gives those who want to qualify, and travel, a better chance of doing so. As Elmere has said, it should lead to a stronger final. |
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jan 11, 2013 14:58:41 GMT
see Rhi - i told you first three qualify but you didnt believe me!! lol thats because you said it had always been first 3 and it never has, oh well i suppose if there is only 3 in the class and the pony goes pants you will still qualify cant see the achievement in that myself actually on my post on here i just said its first three!! on my facebook chat you confused me by saying i was wrong so i though it must have been changed from that!! # just saying !! lol |
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jan 11, 2013 15:00:08 GMT
and i know as you say if only three in - not much achievement in qualifying but you could say that has always been like that if top ones had already qualified and it was passed = or in classes with only a couple in?
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Post by mollymalone on Jan 11, 2013 15:43:16 GMT
I disagree that the Final will be stronger.
I agree that there are some good ponies out there that havent qualified previously by alwyas coming 2nd in strong classes, but there are those qualifiers which have very low entries and the standard is low and ponies will end up qualifying who are not of the previous high standard.
In my opinion this is trying to get the most people to go to the Champs rather than improving the standard of breeding and production and welfare for ponies.
I am quite glad I no longer have a native pony to show as there will be no real achievement now in getting through to a Final when half the top 6 (if members) get to qualify.
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Post by paul on Jan 11, 2013 17:08:05 GMT
The only problem I have is that I understand that the Silver Medal rosettes will only be sent out once the results have been verified - not alot of joy receiving a rosette in the post up to 3 weeks after the event - I did bring this up at the Area Chairmans meeting so I will be interested to find out if this will remain. Also the results will depend on the accuracy of the entry forms so it is essential that competitors will complete entry forms legibly so that the Show Secretary can forward the correct results to the office. Agree!! |
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Post by forester on Jan 11, 2013 17:29:58 GMT
I disagree that the Final will be stronger. I agree that there are some good ponies out there that havent qualified previously by alwyas coming 2nd in strong classes, but there are those qualifiers which have very low entries and the standard is low and ponies will end up qualifying who are not of the previous high standard. In my opinion this is trying to get the most people to go to the Champs rather than improving the standard of breeding and production and welfare for ponies. I am quite glad I no longer have a native pony to show as there will be no real achievement now in getting through to a Final when half the top 6 (if members) get to qualify. i agree with you here |
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Post by elmere on Jan 11, 2013 17:50:06 GMT
I disagree that the Final will be stronger. I agree that there are some good ponies out there that havent qualified previously by alwyas coming 2nd in strong classes, but there are those qualifiers which have very low entries and the standard is low and ponies will end up qualifying who are not of the previous high standard. In my opinion this is trying to get the most people to go to the Champs rather than improving the standard of breeding and production and welfare for ponies. I am quite glad I no longer have a native pony to show as there will be no real achievement now in getting through to a Final when half the top 6 (if members) get to qualify. Yes there may be a few strays in there but I am meaning that the final line up should be much stronger - stronger in terms of competition. It is obvious that they have changed the qualifying rules so that they will have more at the champs but at the end of the day they are struggling and I believe this to be a change for the better. |
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Post by bbanks on Jan 11, 2013 23:48:53 GMT
Hurrah!! No more cards, no more confusion, it works for most other societies, it will work here too! Well done NPS.
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Post by springer on Jan 12, 2013 6:25:20 GMT
Lets hope that if they have more at the Summer Champs that they order enough temporary stables to accommodate all the ponies & don't send them to the racecourse to be stabled!!
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Post by helle on Jan 12, 2013 17:18:43 GMT
In my opinion this is trying to get the most people to go to the Champs rather than improving the standard of breeding and production and welfare for ponies. Lets not forget though that the NPS were originally a Riding Pony society, perhaps this new rule will help bring the numbers on the plaiteds back up. |
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Post by titch on Jan 16, 2013 9:16:15 GMT
Bigmama wasn't the qualifying rosette not paid for by the Nps but by the sponsor anyway??? So cutting them will not be saving them money at all?
It's not a reason to join but it is something nice to get. IMO.
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Post by jakkibag on Jan 16, 2013 10:37:02 GMT
Tiny bit off topic, But does anyone know if these changes will be the same for NPS Scotland? There is nothing on their website at all  |
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Post by ellanorenatives on Jan 16, 2013 11:38:10 GMT
Would like to know who we contact with regards to memberships as a friend has sent emails and phoned serve real times about her new membership and not heard anything back!
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Post by roseview on Jan 16, 2013 11:55:29 GMT
Contact is still the office as per normal.
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Post by Guestless on Jan 31, 2013 23:56:14 GMT
Tiny bit off topic, But does anyone know if these changes will be the same for NPS Scotland? There is nothing on their website at all I believe they are going back to their previous system of providing to show secretaries to be signed by judge when someone qualifies (as opposed to last year's system of carrying a card for each pony) |
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