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Post by sundance20 on Jan 11, 2013 13:36:07 GMT
My boys been in a double all 2012 season but had his mouth open 95% of the time causing him to look strong, end of the season he started to get really mouthy, had him all checked by vet teeth done saddle fitter out but show no problems, bought a longer/thinner Brandon as thought it might be pinching him but he's still not likening it, ran off with me yest completely evading the contact so think he just plain and simple doesn't like it. It's a 6inch bradoon with a 5.5 ported Weymouth. I've tried dropping the curb rein, which is ok till he gets going (welsh d so quite forward powerful canter) I've tried lowering the cheek pieces, same problem when he gets going there's no contact there for me. He goes hacking and jumping in a 3 ring gag has been in a Wilkie too and is quite pleasant in that, he also goes in a hanging cheek snaffle for dressage but I need something he will like suitable for in the ring. I was thinking of trying a Swales? Could anybody enlighten me on what they do, there action etc And any other suggestions, would be perfect if he could jump in it too as we plan to do workers. I've had him in a simple straight bar Pelham in 2011which again was ok but I found he leant on it abit much especially when I ask for medium/ extended trot. Thanks  |
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Post by Milliesmum on Jan 11, 2013 13:49:36 GMT
If he settles well in the wilkie and the 3 ring they both use an element of poll pressure. The swales has no poll pressure whatsoever and works just on the curb action, so not sure if it would be quite what you're looking for.
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Post by 09rebel99 on Jan 11, 2013 14:39:10 GMT
I know people don't always like wilkies but what about a wilkie pelham? They look a bit funny but that shouldn't matter when being judged and you can use it for workers.
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Post by rabbit on Jan 11, 2013 15:09:59 GMT
:)make sure you don't have the curb chain tight, as many people winch it tight so there is no relief when the, horse is in self carriage - so there is no incentive not to pull, it should only come into play when the curb bit is at an angle, otherwise it should hang loose in the chin groove
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Post by ozzy1 on Jan 11, 2013 16:29:58 GMT
I had my section d in a double and he hated it.. I tried a straight bar and he leant on it so i put him in a myler pelham and he was a different horse. did lean and if he did i just lifted my hand and came off my hands he is super light and just seems to love it. dont know if you know anyone you cuold try it before you go out and buy all these bits? just a suggestion. hope you get it sorted.
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Post by flo1 on Jan 11, 2013 16:43:29 GMT
Some horses just don't have room in the mouth for two bits  A dentist could tell you if this in the case in your boy. Does he go OK in a regular pelham..if he does why not just use on of those rather than a swales? Some info here on Swales and other bits, the site offers trials too www.thehorsebitshop.co.uk/product.php?xProd=54 |
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Post by LinsopStud on Jan 11, 2013 17:26:54 GMT
I'd make sure it's not the curb chain that he doesn't like, some of them are ok with the bits but evade the curb chain. Try it at different tensions to find which he prefers as they all respond differently. One of mine hates it so he has a leather curb chain just loosely fastened - if I use a chain and tighten it he would do exactly what you describe your boy as doing.
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Post by sundance20 on Jan 11, 2013 17:39:06 GMT
Il try the curb chain as i have found some pics of him with his previous owners and he appears to be in a double, thanks for that link flo1 he likes NS bits i might get him one of there pelhams and a swales on trial then atleast if he doesnt like i can send them back
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Post by GinaGeo on Jan 11, 2013 20:00:58 GMT
The first thing I'd do is to loosen the curb and pad it out. One of mine loves his double, when the curb chain is padded and is fairly loose. An elastic of leather curb chin might be choices suitable for the ring. Other than that agree that having him checked over is a good plan  |
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Post by LinsopStud on Jan 11, 2013 22:38:36 GMT
A cheap and easy way to find if he'd prefer a leather chain is to wrap a bit of Vetwrap round it that will cushion it loads. |
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Post by ellanorenatives on Jan 12, 2013 8:21:59 GMT
He sounds just like 1 we have at ours, ivhad everything in her mouth to see what she's more comfortable with and at home/schooling and workers she has a Tom Thumb sweet iron and for the ridden flats she has a swales! She goes very heavy in everything else and have light hands so struggle with her beening heavy or leaning as its not I'm my nature to hold lol, if u have good hands but don't want too much poll pressure try a waterford, and if he likes it get him a waterford pelham? X x
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