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Post by maddiesmum on Feb 10, 2013 16:16:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 16:25:17 GMT
Interested to know as been looking at one for my Dartmoor. Just never dared buy one lol.
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Post by jennipenny on Feb 10, 2013 16:50:23 GMT
I've seen these also but how do u no what width ?? As there are only length measurements ?? X
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Post by maddiesmum on Feb 10, 2013 16:55:45 GMT
I messaged about width, apparantly will have all seat size and width fitting when get delivery in 6 weeks?
Although they dont put width on the listing, they said you had to message to specify width, which was a bit odd I thought.
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Post by GinaGeo on Feb 10, 2013 16:59:49 GMT
I wouldn't touch with a very long barge-pole I'm afraid! You won't be getting a nicely made, safe saddle at that price. I'd hate to see the insides of such a saddle.
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Post by bow1607 on Feb 10, 2013 17:16:11 GMT
Me neither, also if you look at the pic with the saddle flap lifted and see how the padding goes underneath, doesn't look right to me?  |
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Post by poppyanderson on Feb 10, 2013 17:30:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 18:23:42 GMT
Its like everything you only get what you pay for - I have tried umpteen cheap saddles - always end up with a known make- so don't bother with cheapies.
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Post by marcosie on Feb 10, 2013 19:25:50 GMT
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Post by thimble on Feb 10, 2013 19:30:16 GMT
I'm not exactly sure if its the same saddle, but I ordered a similar saddle of eBay last year, and it was very cheap looking when it arrived. Sent it straight back as luckily did refunds.
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Post by kirtonian on Feb 10, 2013 19:53:56 GMT
You get what you pay for, if on a very limited budget far better a reputable brand synthetic secondhand than cheap new poorly made new leather one. Lets be realistic, new saddle for less than the cost of a good quality English leather bridle?? If for children, assume one is careful about good hat and hopefully body protector......saddle very important piece of equipment too.
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Post by maddiesmum on Feb 10, 2013 21:08:19 GMT
I agree the saddle is very important, and those pictures of the insides of badly made english saddles are awful!
Although I would like to point out these saddles are an actual european brand Equibell, so im assuming they conform to some kind of standard?!
I just wondered if anyone had tried them, seems no one has, just seen them and considered them, the same as me.
In my case would only be for shows, and comes in a 12" very hard to find! and ideal for my short coupled 11hh Section A.
And I take your point Kirtonian, but a synthetic saddle isnt an option for us as want to show, thanks though.
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Post by sbloom on Feb 11, 2013 8:53:24 GMT
You can't make a decent saddle for that money, period. I know how much saddlers make from making a synthetic saddle, on piece work rates, and once you take VAT away there's not enough there to even pay the saddler's rate! They must be made from horrendous materials and by very unskilled workers.
Never spend less than the cost of a Wintec on a new synthetic, and a "decent" (for that read SAFE) leather saddle should be an absolute minimum of £5-600 in my opinion.
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Post by lme on Feb 11, 2013 12:47:04 GMT
I took a gamble on a 12" "unbranded" New XW suede show saddle for our Shetland - after months of trying to find something that was suitable , got it off ebay and it was advertised as New "seconds" it was auction and I got it at a gift ££, thinking if it didn't fit I could sell it on - I really thought I might have made a mistake,but no - its a beautiful little saddle, fits him like a dream, doesn't move, show cut means no interference with shoulder action and was stable for the little novice rider, we only use it in the show ring and its not marked at all, have just splashed out on a Zoe snape pad as rider has outgrown and its shift her in wrong position but the little 12" will be used to start younger children off.
maybe I was lucky then again what I spent if it was a disaster I would either have returned it or binned it for what it cost.
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Post by pattendown on Feb 11, 2013 20:47:34 GMT
i have one 12'' and i used it on pride its brill i treat it like gold dust
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Post by maddiesmum on Feb 11, 2013 20:51:42 GMT
Thanks lme thats the kind of response I was after, from someone who has one of these saddles or similar! Not judgemental opinions lol I think I will chance it! After what you have said, and other people have pm'd me  And guys this saddle is synthetic underneath, so shouldnt be 5/600 quid lol Also I would like to say I had problems with a jumping saddle for my horse that cost well over a grand! So things arent always what they seem.... And as my daughter isnt 3 until April, this is only for a few shows on the lead rein in the summer, if she loves it I will fork out for a better saddle. Hope that pleases everyone! lol |
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Post by kirtonian on Feb 11, 2013 21:15:29 GMT
Well I hope it works out well for you. I too have spent huge amounts of money on saddles fitted by poor fitters, they didn't work either, but that was due to lack of knowledge not saddle quality. Sorry if you felt opinions were judgemental, but you did ask for opinions on an open forum, I certainly never meant to offend you  I would however be interested to know what European standards are, with British saddles they have the BS standard on stirrup bar. Think if I wanted to have tiny saddle to show with I like the look of the Shetland pad,friend has used one and worked very well for tiny people with little legs! |
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Post by maddiesmum on Feb 11, 2013 21:27:50 GMT
I just felt the general tone of the responses were a bit judgemental, but its cool as you said its an open forum and its all peoples opinions. I dont know the full standards, havent had an email back on that from the company yet, If I order one and its no good, they do refunds, so thats a good thing lol My daughters pony is a section A, a small 11hh one and my lovely old show saddle a 14.5" is a bit long hence I am looking for a different one. I had looked at shetland pads but was under the impression they were only acceptable in the ring for shetlands, but I could be wrong! and would be great if someone clarified this x |
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Post by lme on Feb 12, 2013 9:31:33 GMT
I found for a child 2 to 5 the little 12" was brilliant, it helped position and was easier than the little felt pad I had for the rider support wise - now shes older , even though tiny , legs are growing hence the purchase of the saddle pad, she has a balanced seat now so am hoping she will fine.
We show on the Shetland Circuit and yes the ZS or Thorne saddlepads are widely used, we got a Thorne pad for our Welsh A but my adult daughter didn't get on with it - it does look good on the pony though and he worked well enough in it - although not show ring as he was only just backed, so we are back to getting a saddle fitted for him - I have heard of people showing in them - if LR then suspect you wouldn't have any issues at all.
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Post by rightrein92 on Feb 12, 2013 10:00:23 GMT
My gran bought one of these saddles it never sat right on the pony and made child tilt alot even after having it adjusted and then when they used it without a numnah it made a tennis ball shape swelling on his back where it rubbed he was a podgy section a though so may be different with a different shape pony but tbh save up 20 quid a week for 5 weeks that's 100 extra and you can get a decent well fitting second hand one that has a good resale value x
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Post by solitaire sr on Feb 12, 2013 10:02:19 GMT
I think to be expected to spend £500-600 on getting a decent saddle isnt necessary.
there are fantastic saddles out there for tons less, as long as there fitted properly, and suit the purpose to which there intended i.e showing, jumping etc, then theres no need to spend a vast amount imo.
I bought a lovely half suede half leather one off ebay for our coloured pony for general riding, but had our saddle fitter check it to him and it wasnt quite right so sold it on to a friend, whos pony it fitted lovely. it was a lovely saddle and cost a measely £150.00.
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Post by pippilongsocks on Feb 12, 2013 11:11:51 GMT
my friend bought a cheap saddle from ebay,it was horrid just didnt fit it was a funny shape,she took the saddle apart it was stuffed with pants!!! i think the saddle was from india so not the same as the one you are buying .just thought it was funny using pants to stuff a saddle and no i didnt look to see if they were used lol  |
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Post by sbloom on Feb 12, 2013 19:41:24 GMT
Has the owner of the cheap saddle had it taken apart by a saddler to see how it's made? Just because it looks like it works doesn't mean it's safe inside, that's our concern, we're not being judgemental. I know many saddlers who have opened these things up and are usually horror stories.
There's a reason things are cheap, like frozen burgers.
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Post by cayo on Feb 14, 2013 8:02:58 GMT
I took a gamble on a 12" "unbranded" New XW suede show saddle for our Shetland - after months of trying to find something that was suitable , got it off ebay and it was advertised as New "seconds" it was auction and I got it at a gift ££, thinking if it didn't fit I could sell it on - I really thought I might have made a mistake,but no - its a beautiful little saddle, fits him like a dream, doesn't move, show cut means no interference with shoulder action and was stable for the little novice rider, we only use it in the show ring and its not marked at all, have just splashed out on a Zoe snape pad as rider has outgrown and its shift her in wrong position but the little 12" will be used to start younger children off. maybe I was lucky then again what I spent if it was a disaster I would either have returned it or binned it for what it cost. We did sam efor our shetty and hav ehad the saddle for several years its been great paid about £110 for ours and a a few friends also have them we got a half suede one its been super |
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Post by cayo on Feb 14, 2013 8:05:57 GMT
my friend bought a cheap saddle from ebay,it was horrid just didnt fit it was a funny shape,she took the saddle apart it was stuffed with pants!!! i think the saddle was from india so not the same as the one you are buying .just thought it was funny using pants to stuff a saddle and no i didnt look to see if they were used lol the cheap indian saddles you mention are indeed awful and unusable but these others mentioned for the money serve well |
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Post by sbloom on Feb 14, 2013 18:41:07 GMT
Which others mentioned? No-one's put up any links or named any apart from Shetland pads (which have their place and I know Zoe's are good). How can these saddles NOT be made in India, or somewhere worse, China now makes saddles, not just synthetics either. At that price there is no way they can be made anywhere that has a good history of leatherwork. The ebay link saddle almost certainly is from India or thereabouts, unless anyone can prove otherwise.
And the £500-660 I stand by, for a NEW saddle of course though, second hand will be cheaper and that's fine.
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