loaners

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Aug 2, 2008 23:56:21 GMT @seriously p 1 doubled sed off said:

if someone had your horse out on loan for less than 2 months and you had to get it back because of neglect................what can you do??

has this got anything to do with the woman on that post WARNING TO ANIMAL LOVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[paddywack]

We put our mare out on loan with view to buy. 5 months later she had 'developed' all sorts of problems, was no longer jumping and had started to buck. We got her back and I couldnt believe the condition she had lost. She had started bucking as her girth was now up 5 holes from when she left, her saddle no longer fitted and was pressing down on her.
We got her sorted but I was so glad they never bought her. She is now out on breeding loan and happy as larry and being properly looked after.
I have had ponies on loan and like the other poster found it hard to relax with them as I was paranoid something would go wrong with them.

[sallyw]

The pony in the picture on my avatar is on loan to someone who really loves her and has worked hard to get her going even though she was not exactly easy. I think you have to be really sure of someone before you loan them a pony. We have a written agreement and the pony is microchipped to avoid any problems over ownership. I would be the first to fetch a pony b ack if I was not happy and yet I hardly ever give this pony a second thought becasue I know she is happy.

[armada]

My horse never came back from his loan home, I went to see him one day, kicked up a bit of a fuss over his condition, arranged to pick him up, they had him shot to prevent me taking him back. They then tried to take me to court because he apparently was not what he had been advertised as (PSG dressage horse) although when they came to see him I performed a PSG dressage test in front of them, and he performed all the required movements to perfection. I later discovered they took horses from rescue homes and used them in sort of hacking centre and that was what they did with my boy, they also harassed me for months until I had my phone number changed with allsorts of threats and comments about shows they had seen me at etc it was very nasty. I then phoned every rescue/rehoming facility I could find in the British Isles and backed it up with photographs in an attempt to stop these people.
I only hope they saw the article H&H did on the subject and recognised themselves, but would they care? 15 years on, if I saw either of them, I'd just have to give them a smack. She is Scottish and he is a Cypriot and a short-arsed man (no names but surname is the greek cypriot of Smith and stars with a K and ends with an O), and they used to operate out of Hadley Wood by the way.
I have had numerous horses loaned to me, and all have gone home to happy owners, or have been bought by us as fit performance animals with affilliated winnings under their belts.
The last pony I did loan to wonderful home dropped dead in the field, and the loaner rang in floods of tears, and this was a person who is a surgeon at the top of his game in this country and not given to sentimentality, and spent the whole time apologising, although it obviously was not his fault, he was so quick off the mark that when I got there, she was still warm, and I was able to say good-bye in a way that was denied me with my precious Mannie.
Not everyone is a total git, and talking the talk and years of experience does not neccessarily mean they will have the right home. I'm just glad some of you have been able to get your ponies and horses back, and some of you have found there are people out there who will care for your animals like you would yourselves. I've seen both sides of the coin, its very hard to let your precious animals go to the care of others.

[tesstkat]

i have loaned my mare now for 5 years and her owner comes to see her quite often and she nos she can turn up at any time out of the blue we get on really well but we have had her moments, me bing the plonker i am fell in love with a 17 yo mare who isnt easy to say the least but we have come on together leaps and bounds the horse is on life time loan as the lady lost her land but me being a plonker again never drew up a legal agreement when the owner saw how well we was doing she decided she wanted her back which i have no problems with as i no she would be well looked after but we had a dissagreement and it went to solicitors she was told because she had addmitted to saying the horse was on life time loan she had loaned on false protenses so would have to remburse us full livery etc for 4 years which came to a substantial sum of money so she never bothered im not an awkward person but i took this horse on because the owner was going to have her put to sleep if no one would take her on loan as she didnt want to sell her so she could stay intouch with her

[ponymum]

Good on you tesskat, sometimes you see that , a pony goes on loan, does well and then the owners want it back...At least you stuck to your guns

[tesstkat]

thankyou i have put so much love time and money into the mare the days where i had no money for me but my horse always has everything and for some one to try and just take that away from you when you have worked so hard is sickening so i can see it from the other point of view if it were your horse and it was neglected i can imagine how hurt and angry you must feel i think alot of it is people seem to think because they are not buying the horse some how its going to be magically cheaper to keep its all good and well im sure most of us could find funds to buy a horse its the keeping thats the killer but i think alot of people go in to owning or loaning a horse quiet light hearted and have not weighed the situation up fully its a full time job with not many rewards( apart from a hole in the pocket and numb blue fingers (well not realy there are loads) but financiall rewards i think alot of the bad loanies are not neciserially bad people but very very irrisponsible as like i say i think that if they think they loan then a magic fairy will pay for the keep of the pony sorry to ramble i get annoyed at irrisponsible twirps that think horses are all glory and glamour and CHEAP

[Joolies]

I loaned a pony to a "friend" who asked if her daughter could use it for a summer season. I saw the horse a few times during the season and commented to the loner that I was concerned about his weight and lami. A neighbours of hers rang me a few weeks later to say that the horse had got lami as it was being grazed in plush grass cow fields for 15 hours a day! Phone call and choice words soon followed!
Unfortunately the chappy had done exceptionally well and the loaner wanted to keep him for the winter, I refused and was mad a hell as she had perminantley damaged my baby and caused him great pain. Lots of arguements later I recieved a bill for 5,550 for the production of my horse
She then went on to ring my local friends to slate me as I wanted the pony back as agreed!
Just to cap it all I also found she had sent his passport to his breed society in an attempt to change his ownership
She is one very crazy person!!!
He is on loan again this year to a lovley family and being so well looked after they can keep him for the winter!

[inkjet]

I will agree with aphrodite. Sally was my pride and joy and I know she is in good hands with aphrodite. Last year myself and aphrodite fell out and I could have kicked up a stink but I know that she is in a fantastic home and would be absolutely pointless and in fact not fair on the pony. In fact I would like to see her as I have not seen her since myerscough.

I think there are good and bad loaners. I would suggest not loaning to friends - (nothing to do with aphrodite) as it can ruin friendships, don't interfere, get a good contract (i still dont have some of one of my horses tack back and now been told there is only a numnah!) but keep a regular check on your horse or pony.

[wendbarry1]

I loaned a pony to a person on this site. They are doing a fab job with him, taking things slowly and enjoying him. I met them first, they asked all the right questions, I'd seen their own pony. What a luck pony mine is to have found such an adorable little girl
They tell me everything that's going on, even sending pics by phone from a show, they even shocked themselves by standing res in their first champ with him. I know not all loan homes are like this but don't be put off by some horror stories. We have been lucky in finding this fab home for our boy and I'm sure he will continue to give them the fab rewards in the ring, because he's happy and enjoying his new life.

[matthewso585]

Im 13, i apsolutely LOVE horses to bits x
they're my life!
i loan a 13.2 colours on thornton equestrian and i love it
my mum and dad wont let me get a pony..
THEY SAY THEY CANT AFFORD!
im really upset!
so have to loan for now...
i love loanin but would prefer to have my own! x

[starrider]

I think I have been very fortunate with my past loan agreements. However, I do think it is very important to build a relationship with the owner / loaner aswell as the pony.

Due to university and house etc I have loaned horses rather than bought for the last few years. From the beginning I am honest about my capabilities and what I can offer and have always visited the horse and owner a few times to establish relations. I then always invite the owner to come and look at the yard etc to make sure that both parties are happy. I think this way of doing things gives time for both parties to establish what they want and expect from the agreement.

Communication I think plays a huge part and as one post said earlier - I too constantly email, text, send pictures, invite to shows etc as after all, even though the horse is treated as my own, it is their animal and they will have the same feelings etc as you.

In fact I am still in touch with all the owners I have loaned from in the past and we all try our best to keep in touch and see how the horses, and they, are doing.

As with everything there are good and bad experiences to everything - but my advice would be to vet the person and not make assumptions about experiences.

[thecremellosociety]

I am about to embark on a 12 month loan, I can safely say this animal will be treated as gold dust with me !!!!!!!! I have loaned in the past and again always look after them as if they are more than my own !!

[colourful]

Good and bad on both sides

Someone I know took a scraggy rough, skinny D cob from a novice owner, and transformed him over a few months with good feeding and care - she worked so hard with him and cared for him correctly - as a good loanee should. She decided not buy him as he had a spavin which showed up in canter work as a major problem - well you wouldnt believe the abuse she has had for this, she tried to work through the problem but he will never be sound.

Disgusting and shameful and really - however it transpires that the loaner and family are well known for this sort of thing, every horse she and the family own is perfect or will win at HOYS despite never having been shown. They want people to take their horses and do all the work and then object ! Get real - get a producer!

Sadly some people are just stupid and the ones that care are the ones that suffer.

On the other hand some people are just brilliant when it comes to loans - but sadly some see loaning as a cheapo option to get their horses schooled then claim them back when they are going we..

[ponies4me]

i am currently loaning a pony i found on here. he is everything his owners said he was and more. we email each other regularly and if i am unsure about something i ask.

i have loaned out. i dont tend to go and visit very often but do make sure i go. one pony has been in her loan home for nearly 3 years now and as she was a bit lammi i would only loan her out to someone i knew who was experienced with lammi. she has had her x rayed and heart bar shoes fitted at her own expense which is very nice. she didnt go with lammi i must add although has had it in the past. she will stay there for a few more years yet and then come home.

not had a bad experience of laoning out and my loaners currently are fantastic. i send photos to them regularly so they can see how he is doing.

[Milliesmum]

This post has been edited by request.

With regard to the specific situation which was being discussed on this thread, please can any further conversations on the matter be conducted via the PM system.

Thank you.

[nici]

I have two ponies out on loan at the moment. One I rescued several years ago and will never sell as she has very bad scarring to her legs, and I couldn't bear to think of her being passed around through the sales. She's now with a very dear friend as a companion / hack, and I know my friend treats her every bit as well as her own horses.

My other pony on loan is a little 34" spotty, rising 4. I bought the dam as a LR pony for my daughter when she was a tot, not knowing the mare was in foal. She had a foal at foot as well, so we ended up with 3 for the price of 1. We still have the mare and older foal (now rising 5) and my daughter and her friends ride them regularly, but I knew I wouldn't have time to educate another young ridden pony. So after backing her lightly, she went on loan to an aquaintance with her own horses, who wanted a pony for her young son. As mum and dad are both experienced and had time to work with Daisy and bring her on, it's been ideal and she's come on in leaps and bounds - as has young Jake's riding! Daisy is kept at a yard close to my home and I can see her regularly. I also get regular photos and updates. She's become the fantastic child's pony I planned her to be from birth, and has benefited enormously from the one-to-one attention she gets from young Jake. It's a win-win for everyone. Daisy will come back to me one day when she is outgrown, and I will do my best to find her another loan home that's just as perfect.

[felllover1]

Its just so hard to tell now days if the loan homes are suitable or not. I have had a horse on loan 2 years ago had a fabulous season with him and the owners often use to come to the shows and watch us in the ring. He was only on a years agreement with us and at the end of the year i decided to give up workers and concentrate on my flat classes but the owner of the horse said if i ever wanted him back to do workers on i was more than welcome to. So i guess theres one nice loan story. Although when i loaned out my dartmoor i had a terrible experience he come back all skinny and before he left us i use to do nursey stakes with him and when he returned he wouldnt even go over a cross pole and had lost all trust in his rider. Im not sure what to think as i know some homes treat there loan ponies excellent and others just dont seem to care. Its so hard to tell now days !!!!

[morwenstowstud]

I've only ever loaned one out and would be very reluctant to do so again. He went short term to a so called 'experienced' home. They lived in the same village as us. There were certain rules such as they don't jump him over a certain height and they don't use a whip/spurs. He came back in good condition, but had been jumped excessively and they had used a whip/spurs. He also came back with his hanging cheek snaffle fitted upside down. So muc for experienced.

I know not all loaners are bad though. We've bought our loan Highland. We had him on loan for a year from a very good friend, and in that year I worried about him more than my own. We stuck rigidly to the agreement in the time he was on loan, and always sent loads of pics. She was also invited to drop in unnanounced whenever she liked. We were grateful she loaned him to us, because he was a horse we couldn't afford to buy straight off at the time, but was perfect for my daughter, so loan wvtb was ideal.

[Ziggy]

I fully aprreciate it must be dreadful to have ponies treated badly when they are on loan but also agree with one member who said don't tar all loaners with the same brush! Seems to me sometimes that people moan about loaners treating ponies badly but not buyers. if people buy ponies they can still treat them badly. It's the people that are like that not whether they are buying or loaning. Don't discount loaning a pony just becasue you have had a bad experience before. it could be that your pony could miss out on a beautiful home.

[anthony]

fully agree with you clare, im still looking for a fyfr pony on loan with view to purchase, but people seem to scared to risk a loan, if they thought a lot about the animal surely they would ratrher it went somewhere where it was suited to the child rather than sell it and then find out the pony had been sold on again because they didnt match. owners are always welcome to come and visit

[mandymoo]

I had a 12.2 liver chestnut lead rain / first ridden, i had ridden him for 3 years and had taken him to horse of the year show and all over he was my baby, we didn't have the heart to part with him as we had had him since since he was 3 and my sister had out grown him so we opted to loan him out. like everyone else we checked where he was going to live we visted the livery yard and thought it look lovely all indoor boxes and very tidy. so we wrote up a full contract and let out £15,000 baby go with all his tack everything. After a month we started get phone calls from friends saying that he wasn't very well and was coffing and looked nothing like the horse we kept and loved. So we hucked up the trailer and went to the livery yard we he was to suprise them. They where very suprised turned out he was in a shed at the bottom of a feild not even in the boxes they had shown us. he was under fed and was nearly constantly coughing. we took him there and then taking pictures of where he was kept and how he looked compaired to when he left us. we didn't even get our tack back as they had apparently sold it due to it not fitting. (which was a load of bollock we had it made to measue through Darby house). we got the vet out we'll never no what he went through in them 4 weeks but with in 2 weeks we had him put down both of his lungs had collapsed and the rest of his body was giving up. never to this day have we ever loaned out a nother horse.

we did phone the RSPCA and showed them the pictures the people where arrested banned from keeping animals for life and told to pay a fine of £3000. but that wouldn't bring back my baby.

[Ziggy]

I have been lucky enough to find a lovely pony on loan for my daughter, looking forward to getting him next month. I promise, promise i will treat him well and not like some of the horror stories written her. There it's in writing for all to see!

[lucky1016twinkle]

Hi guy im 13 and i own a lovely sweet mare called Lucky and i have had her for 3 year and ive outgrown her so they was no point leaving her in a feild as she is only 12 so me and my mum loaned her and this girl wanted to loan her so we let her and before Lucky went she was so sweet and she wouldnt hurt a fly so this girl loaned her it wasnt intill a few weeks ago when me and mum found out that the reason the girl lost her confidence was she wasnt paying her horse before lucky any attention or always stopping to talk to her boyfriend and 1 day after they got her the where Jumpin her 1 metre and lucky was so unfit so we got her back 3 months i was loading her off the trailer and she squished me against the side nearly breaking my ribs and lucky never did that to me and she is lame and she has come back a barrel and i feel like i might never get the old perfect Lucky back becasue Lucky is a rescue and she find it hard to trust and i feel like they hurt her so she wont trust anyone is there anything i can do to try and make her trust people again thanks i give my horse all the attention and lucky is special so is tere anything i can do to get my old lucky back xxx