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Post by stravellerandprincess on Apr 9, 2013 18:51:22 GMT
At end of my tether!! My pony spends the whole time he is bridled with his mouth wide open :-0 its not his teeth, and bit fits perfectly, I have tried thinner bits, and chunkier bits (all jointed) but to no avail :-( its not a rider problem either as he does it without a pilot too! It's not causing too much problem, but looks unsightly, don't want to resort to strapping his mouth closed with a flash etc so wondered if anyone could suggest alternatives?? He is in training as a lr pony therefore suggestions need to be suitable for the task :-) thanks x
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Post by lottiemayday on Apr 9, 2013 20:43:37 GMT
Glad im not the only one!!!! Ive got exactly the same problem....rather annoying!!! Really hoping someone has some ideas x
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Post by mara on Apr 9, 2013 23:48:07 GMT
I used a waterford short term for a mouthy pony - by the time he was ready for a child to start riding him he'd stopped doing it & was back in a little french link.
The centre link on the average 4 to 4.5" wide french link snaffle is actually far too wide for many mouths - the ends of the link were clearly visible beyond the tongue on my pony.
The NS pony range, whilst expensive are a much better design for tiny mouths.
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Post by Jessica on Apr 10, 2013 6:55:26 GMT
Could be worth putting in a mouthing bit for a little while and seeing whether that helps?
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Post by lilliella1 on Apr 10, 2013 9:05:57 GMT
My 153cm SHP was awfull at being gobby. I tried all sorts of bits which made no difference at all. Sorry to say I put him in a grackle in the end and it worked a treat. We only had him in the grackle for 4/5 schooling sessions then went back to a caverson. The issue you have is all the time your pony is being gobby and messing around infront with their mouth they are not concentrating on what is being asked through the reins so you end up in a bit of a battle. I would not use a flash though as it just straps the mouth shut, the grackle actually stops the pony crossing his/her jaw but gives a bit more. Our pony went in a loose ring hollow mouth snaffle with the grackle and is still in the same bit.
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Post by sm07 on Apr 10, 2013 11:32:38 GMT
Try a myler bit that takes all pressure off of the tounge worked wonders for my pony :-) she's now bk in a normal French link snaffle
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Post by sparklepony on Apr 10, 2013 12:18:27 GMT
Have you tried a lozenge bit? Many ponies have fat tongues so there's no room for the tonge, strapping it shut just causes more pain somethimes.
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Post by sparklepony on Apr 10, 2013 12:28:35 GMT
Is this the pony in the photo? If so Id try a little happy mouth bit, much nicer for littlies.
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Post by shpony on Apr 10, 2013 14:54:53 GMT
Fylde do a restraining noseband. Worked really well on my pony
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 15:18:27 GMT
I use an eggbutt snaffle with a small port link in the middle, I get them off ebay, love them and never seem to have mouth problems, I break all mine to those.
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Post by stravellerandprincess on Apr 10, 2013 18:19:37 GMT
Thanks guys think it will be trial and error!! He needs a few manners to so think I may invest in a dually halter maybe when he listens we may get somewhere! Lots of habits to break ! Shpony the pony in the picswas recently broken and a dream to do :-) x
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Post by jessandoscar on Apr 10, 2013 18:39:44 GMT
I have the same problem, so he's schooled at home in a grackle but we have a complete nightmare at shows when he has to wear a cavesson !!
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Post by gtr121 on May 3, 2013 20:51:40 GMT
My pony did this and I tried nearly every bit possible to no avail. In the end all we did was to tighten he cavesson noseband extra tight and our problems were over.
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Post by flo1 on May 20, 2013 22:22:09 GMT
I'm afraid I can't agree with strapping a pony's mouth shut to deal with this problem. It does sound as though the pony is unhappy with the bit that is being used and forcing the mouth shut will only mask the problem and could prevent the pony from relieving any discomfort or pain. And that is plain cruel. Have a read of this, it shows common problems with bitting and offers some advice on how to solve them. www.thesaddleryshop.co.uk/HowtoChooseBits.aspxI DO sympathise with the problem you're having. I spent years trying to find a bit my horse was happy with but once I did it made such a difference. |
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Post by catkin on May 21, 2013 8:03:50 GMT
Good advice on bits. also, try schooling in a drop noseband. Not overly tight. I find these most effective as schooling aids.
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Post by stravellerandprincess on May 21, 2013 16:28:13 GMT
Thanks for the advice! Going to go back to basics, and may try a sweet iron or apple bit to try and encourage him to mouth the bit more , been riding him in a dually halter with no problem, so obvious its not a behavior problem poor chappy is not comfortable! Vet can not find anything, got a French link coming and will try a straight bar Apple bit, tried a ported bit to no avail :-0 will get there tho ! X
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Post by noni123 on May 21, 2013 17:06:39 GMT
you could try a fillis snaffle---looks pretty horendous but is actually a very kind bit with plenty of tongue room. A correctly fitted drop noseband may help---both a bit old fashioned but then so am I !!!!
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Post by mara on May 22, 2013 22:00:33 GMT
you could try a fillis snaffle---looks pretty horendous but is actually a very kind bit with plenty of tongue room. A correctly fitted drop noseband may help---both a bit old fashioned but then so am I !!!! fillis snaffle - now that is going back in time - not seen one for years! great little bit, sadly not dressage legal from memory but plenty of tongue room. Drop nosebands are making a comeback - properly fitted - just where the nasal bone extends so higher than most people think they are very effective & don't have to be fastened as tightly as a flash noseband which can be too vague in its action. I hate these modern crank nosebands - a horse needs to be able to flex its jaw & swallow to relax the jaw & accept the bit - you clamp the jaw tight & you reduce that ability to relax the jaw & soften to the hand. You get the typical dressage horse curled nostrils instead. Whatever happened to being able to easily fit a finger between nosebands of any type? We have a huge choice of bits these days & yet our horses don't actually go any better than 30 years ago?  |
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Post by sarahp on May 23, 2013 10:41:32 GMT
Lack of knowledge.
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Post by rider123 on May 26, 2013 19:07:29 GMT
Ns bits are very expensive but they have a starter bit which was created to promote quite acceptance rand to aid steering, it's a very soft bit and my mare works beautifully in it. she was prone to opening her mouth, we also had her caverson as heigh as possible to prevent crossing of her jaw with a loose flash as I don't like strapping their mouths shut it's just a boundary to prevent opening to wide.
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Post by dancer on May 28, 2013 15:23:30 GMT
Does the 'lozenge' in a Neue Schule Lozenge fit small mouths better than the 'link' in a french link? We have the same problem but only with a jockey on board (the jockey holds a strap so hands don't move up & down), we school him with the reins in the same position as the jockeys hands & he is fine.
We have tried a jointed snaffle, a magic bit (ported) & a French link but the link was too wide for his mouth. He seems to be constantly trying to grab the bit in his back teeth - he is regularly seen by the dentist & he has checked that the bits are fitted in the correct position so is it more of a habit than pain related?
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Post by lisadundee on May 28, 2013 16:12:08 GMT
Try a bombers happy tongue! Fab bit
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Post by dancer on May 28, 2013 18:51:22 GMT
Had a look at that bit lisadundee but all the reviews refer to ponies that lean which ours doesn't?!
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Post by lisadundee on May 28, 2013 20:35:45 GMT
Had a look at that bit lisadundee but all the reviews refer to ponies that lean which ours doesn't?! I used it on my D stallion who never leaned on the bit but he did evade the bit by opening his mouth, lifting his head and trying to run through it, he was a different horse after this bit, I hired one first to try from the horse bit bank and it was worth every penny. Worth a try when your all out of options and at your wits end! X |
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Post by dancer on May 28, 2013 21:03:05 GMT
Will have a look at hiring one & give it a go, thanks.
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Post by Em5 on May 28, 2013 22:30:36 GMT
Is it dressage legal? It sounds like what I need for my pony, is it ok if they're normally strong?
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Post by lisadundee on May 28, 2013 23:10:24 GMT
Is it dressage legal? It sounds like what I need for my pony, is it ok if they're normally strong? I don't know if they are dressage legal but they have a selection of different cheeks available, I had the loose ring. My D stallion was like a bull with no breaks until I used this bit and because he was happy in it and he had room for his tongue he was nice and soft in the mouth then x |
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Post by Em5 on May 29, 2013 12:25:47 GMT
My pony has started playing with his bit that much that's he's causing bruising on the inside if his lower lip...... He can be really strong when he wants to be and can lean on the bit..... Do you think that bit would help??
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Post by lisadundee on May 29, 2013 13:35:43 GMT
My pony has started playing with his bit that much that's he's causing bruising on the inside if his lower lip...... He can be really strong when he wants to be and can lean on the bit..... Do you think that bit would help?? I think anything is worth a try! X |
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Post by Em5 on May 29, 2013 14:43:29 GMT
Thankyou x
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