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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 11:39:08 GMT
Question about Lead Reins- as I've never started a lead rein from scratch.
How do you all go about it:
Break on the lead and go from there
Break off the lead and then train to go on lead
I can see advantages and disadvantages of both. I understand a combination of the two may be the best option, but was just curious about everyone's opinions.
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Post by Louise Dixon on May 15, 2013 16:09:23 GMT
That is an interesting question, I look forward to reading the replies - not something I have experience of either, although I am lucky enough to own a pony that goes on and off nicely, someone else did all the hard work.
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Post by larkhaven on May 15, 2013 19:53:07 GMT
I have 2 littles to do this year, and will both be started like any other pony. They will be taught lead - rein once they are comfortable with an older , steadier jockey.
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Post by Sara on May 15, 2013 20:07:33 GMT
Break off the rein as a normal breaker then train on the lead. If you do a lot of long reining and ground work the tend to lead very easily.
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Post by sarahp on May 16, 2013 5:37:30 GMT
This is a genuine query so nobody jump on me - why does a pony properly broken to saddle need further specialist training as a lead rein pony? OK it has to take its direction from leader not rider, but surely any pony will do that without a rider before being broken anyway? I can of course understand how one used only on the LR needs further schooling to go off lead, but not the other way round.
I've only done a tiny bit of LR with daughter years ago, and not serious showing but we just got on with it!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 7:24:44 GMT
I break off the lead, I always do a lot of long reining, very little lunging, once broken and going nicely with a jockey - I then introduce small rider. Voice commands are always part of my breaking process too.
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Post by samd on May 16, 2013 7:30:51 GMT
I always break them to go off the lead rein. They should then always take to the lead rein job with no problem if they have been well lunged and longreined and used to voice commands. The ones that have only been broken to go on the lead rein can be much harder to get to go off the lead rein if you eventually want them to go off.
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Post by bud86 on May 16, 2013 13:26:20 GMT
Break like any other pony and teach to lead. Teaching to lead is so much easier then first ridden lol!! Have fun! X
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Post by sarahp on May 16, 2013 16:06:54 GMT
Are not all young ponies taught to lead in hand before they are broken anyway?
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Post by LucyHebditch on May 16, 2013 17:02:19 GMT
Sarahp, the way they go in hand is quite a bit different as they don't have to be quite as precise. I must admit not a lot of teaching goes into the lead rein side of things, just that they have to learn to stay by the leaders side without rushing ahead or actually being controlled by the lead rein. They basically have to obey you as if the lead rein wasn't there. So I think that's what everyone means by teaching them to go on the lead rein. I also agree, back them off the lead first and then progress to putting a little jockey up  |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 18:03:08 GMT
Sarahp, the way they go in hand is quite a bit different as they don't have to be quite as precise. I must admit not a lot of teaching goes into the lead rein side of things, just that they have to learn to stay by the leaders side without rushing ahead or actually being controlled by the lead rein. They basically have to obey you as if the lead rein wasn't there. So I think that's what everyone means by teaching them to go on the lead rein. I also agree, back them off the lead first and then progress to putting a little jockey up Yes, that is how I meant when I asked the inital question- as I like my leadreins to beable to do a show on lead without jockey, as well as they would with a jockey And not to be held under the chin- pet hate for me. |
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Post by sarahp on May 17, 2013 6:58:08 GMT
Well I teach my babies to go like that as weaned foals anyway, so you can see why I asked! And I wasn't talking about for in hand showing, but as part of general early education. Surely you would want a LR to go more gently and politely than an IH pony strutting its best stuff too.
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Post by sal on May 17, 2013 9:09:46 GMT
I have one that was broken as a LR first (and wasn't taught off the lead until a long while later) and her on the lead way is going is fantastic BUT off the lead she still relies on her leader for her direction and confidence. She will still completely ignore whoever is riding her if there is someone on the ground she can latch to as a leader (Ideal if you have a little one who doesn't want to be led as the leader has control without the rope being there, not so great if you are trying to issue instruction to a rider who is supposed to be doing the steering!). Interestingly she is well aware of the difference of in hand and LR, she can still be a wild child in her in hand halter!
The ones that have been broken to go off the LR first are far more confident with no one at their head and happier taking instruction from the person on top so unless a pony is only ever going to be a LR pony always off the lead first now. The dink along on the rope can always be taught later.
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Post by lme on May 17, 2013 11:04:28 GMT
I am finding this thread interesting, we have a little 36" shetland who was shown in hand quite sucessfully , then had a break and then we started lead rein with him - rider was only 4 at the time and he was rising 6 - he had been sat on before that but basically they have been learning together, hes always been very strong even in inhand classes and has a willful character - he is very sharp in the ring - rider is 6 now and we are bringing them on for off the Lead - its been a revelation - without the lead on she can hack him out on the road and he is listening and despite her not being very strong in the leg yet (shes only tiny) he is responsive to aids and learning quickly, in the field can be a bit different and we are building that up, no way is she ready to go FR yet so to build up her confidence we are still doing LR in shows where he reverts to type - he has been long reined and is very responsive on that, on the Lunge he is less happy and takes a while to settle, I thought the problem would be getting him away on his own due to his IH background but it seems to be the opposite - he would rather be off it!
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Post by catkin on May 21, 2013 8:12:46 GMT
Like SamD I break off the rein first and then do lead rein training. Sarahp - you would be amazed at how many young ponies do not lead at all, let alone properly!! If they have been started like yours, all well and fine, BUT most have not. I do think that you need to teach a pony to react to the leader rather than the rider for LR, so there are plenty of extra things to teach them for this particular job. For example, going by voice alone, mirroring your movements, leading slightly more away from you than usual, standing stock still while you move around. Its not always the case of if a pony goes well off the rein it will go well on it nor visa versa! Its an absolute art form to product a LR for the ring and I am always fascinated to watch different methods. That said I never enjoyed doing the class and nor did my children! However, I have a tiny niece who is now riding a lovely pony on the lead rein and she is having a great time.
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