Why are you suprised
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Post by Why are you suprised on Jan 5, 2009 15:25:23 GMT
Ooo I know who you are  and I know who you are ;D - just wished I had used a shorter user name at the beginnng of this post. |
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Post by DreamGirl on Jan 5, 2009 15:34:16 GMT
I think it's very difficult to find an un-biased judge! All competitors have their little black book of judges who they know they will do well under - so it works both ways really!
I suppose IMO a judge will continuously place a certain pony to save face if they didn't they would then be scrutinized for being fickle...would they not??? it depends which way you look at it.
To qualify is an amazing achievement all the finalists were picked as they were a good representations of their breed - i believe whoever goes Champion at Olympia someone will have something to say about it!
Has anyone ever known an underdog to win??
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Post by Pony-Nutt on Jan 5, 2009 16:52:34 GMT
Some of the ponies were very overbent, which is supposed to be a big no no, if you know what you are doing. Seemingly if a professional rides a pony permanently overbent, no one mentions it!
I think it is time they had three judges for the final. One for the ride and two for conformation and type. One from the small breed fraternity and one from the large. We all have to admit it, a Section B is never going to get a look in if the judge is a heavy fan and vice versa, so depending on what judge they have, half the ponies are handicapped before they get there!
I would also like to see professional riders limited in what they can do in one season, I dont know how, but something could be doen Im sure.
The real problem is that there is so much money involved these days.
This year with the rising fuel prices, a lot of the good ponies were not out much, the ones who qualified probably had more money to spend on travelling around the country. If only we had known how much fuel prices were going to drop Im sure more would have tried to qualify. After all, spending time and money chasing qualifiers is a bit of a waste of time if you know you cant afford to go if you do qualify.
I also think that the NPS should start a summer championship for the natives too since when they started out with this there were not half as many of them around.
Just my opinion!
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Post by cocoa on Jan 5, 2009 17:00:39 GMT
This is from the NPS 2009 rule book. I think it a very silly rule and is going to put alot of producers out of work. Although you have to the note the "recommended". It will limit the amount of fantastic ponies on the circuit that have the chance of qualifying, as we all know a producer rarely just rides the one! However it may give the home produced a better chance  Adding to that I think you will find there is an NPS summer champs and also a spring festival. |
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Post by Pony-Nutt on Jan 5, 2009 17:27:42 GMT
But not with the prestige of Olympia.
Producers will still get the work getting the ponies ready and I dare say it will stop a few going professional as it were, they will stick to their amateur status.
My point is, M&Ms are supposed to be the allround family pony, so they are especially taking the prizes from true amateurs.
Why cant the pros stick to the hack hunters and other types? M&Ms are for families and children.
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Post by mavericks on Jan 5, 2009 18:03:24 GMT
my kamas going up o dear ,, well wy are you suprised ,,if its a section b then tou could plat it and pull the mane thats natural state ,, sniff sniff i love looking up at you half pass
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Post by Pony-Nutt on Jan 5, 2009 18:34:17 GMT
Have another!
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Post by comet4eva on Jan 5, 2009 18:49:31 GMT
Personally, I think every pony that qualified most have been something special to qualify! If it did well there then two judges must both think the same! Well done ev3eryone who qualifyed!
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Post by happy hacker on Jan 5, 2009 20:52:25 GMT
knowing both rider and judges for over 20 years i can tell you hayche that when the highland qualified they were wetting themselfs with laughter so please dont tell me hes straight Doesn't everyone who qualifies for such a prestigious show as Olympia nearly wet themselves with laughter. I know I would be mega happy Maverick!!!You sound like a very sad person. |
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Post by Hayche. on Jan 5, 2009 21:12:57 GMT
;o i love my night shift good luck everyone at the shows but i have to agree there are some shifty judges out there and hayche you really are a bit young to understand the politics that go on at the high end of showing i think i am qualified to tlk in this manner as my mum judges HOYS qualifiers and she has riden at olympia 7 times, and was there this yr, i have also ridden at hoys on more than one occasion, and i think i am well qualified to comment at this level of showing. |
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Post by morwenstowstud on Jan 6, 2009 1:18:01 GMT
This is from the NPS 2009 rule book. I think it a very silly rule and is going to put alot of producers out of work. Although you have to the note the "recommended". It will limit the amount of fantastic ponies on the circuit that have the chance of qualifying, as we all know a producer rarely just rides the one! However it may give the home produced a better chance Adding to that I think you will find there is an NPS summer champs and also a spring festival. I'm all for this rule. this way amatuers will at least get a decent go at qualifiers. It stop the same jockies faces being in the line up at every show. It will also mean that producers can't keep entering the qualifiers, blocking up places for others. The rule is saying once a jockey has qualified they cannot enter another qualifier, and that's fair enough. Why would a jockey want to qualify more than one pony, when they can only ride one at the final. Is it fair for a proffessional to qualify a pony on behalf of an amateur. That just brings it all down to money and whether the owner can afford to pay for a jockey. Showing shouldn't be about money. Maybe the NPS have had enough of the faceysness in showing and are trying to do something about breaking up the same clique that is at every qualifier. I for one am very impressed with some of the NPS rules for 2009. I think it shows that at least one society is taking a long hard look at themselves, the animals they represent, and are doing their best to update and progress in their rules. No membership required to enter NPS classes, Smaller jumps for Highlands in WHP, a move about of sections of other breeds in WHP, no rider age limits on ponies over 128cm, rider to qualify only one pony, then ride it at final...Go NPS. I'm all for progression and opening the doors up for new people to showing, and amatuers. lets hope other societies follow suit  |
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Post by happy hacker on Jan 6, 2009 3:50:23 GMT
sorry maverick now i understand they were laughing because they knew they would win
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Post by paul grady on Jan 6, 2009 4:22:14 GMT
maverick is not sad she just knows when some of the ponies get through on a promise and that is not fair to the people who are working hard to get to olympia as she did .being a producer is hard work but you can be honest and get there through good riding and correct ponies .showing has never been a honest sport because its one persons opinion and sometimes they want a favor in return ,,and thats why we vent here so that some of those judges and riders may think twice knowing they may end up here for all to see .so thank you horse gossip and hayche lets hope your mum is not one of them
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Post by happy hacker on Jan 6, 2009 13:18:18 GMT
Seems to me that someone is copying my guest name now & maybe talking to themselves as I certainly wasn't on here at 3.50am this morning!!! I have only made 1 post up till now. What strange people come on here!
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Post by halfpass on Jan 6, 2009 13:36:06 GMT
Seems to me that someone is copying my guest name now & maybe talking to themselves as I certainly wasn't on here at 3.50am this morning!!! I have only made 1 post up till now. What strange people come on here! thats the problem when you sign on as a guest, anyone can use your name, and get you into all sorts of trouble, as regards to the strange people, the strangest seem to be guests!!! |
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Post by maverick on Jan 6, 2009 17:57:17 GMT
well said halfpass the guests just dont get it and thankyou paul drady for explaining things ,,,now half pass can i have a kama
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Post by halfpass on Jan 6, 2009 18:36:46 GMT
Yep
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Post by mememe on Jan 7, 2009 12:44:14 GMT
I was told in June by a professional that they weren't even contesting Olympia qualifiers because they know which pony would win before it had even qualified - they were right!
The politics within the NPS are notorious and are ruining the sport. Regardless of wether a pony deserves to win or not, the stories of the things that apparently go on in the background between judges and exhibitors is extremely damaging. If indeed the judging was pretty much a forgone conclusion, it makes a mockery of the huge efforts gone to by everyone else.
In a comment made by Stuart Hollings some time ago, why is it the case that a top class hack, cob, riding horse or hunter can expect to be consistently well placed throughout a season under different judges and M&Ms can stand at either end of the line up on the same day with exactly the same consistent performances?
I think it is a great idea to employ a fair range of judges for a Championship show such as Olympia, as suggested on this thread. It will be a real shame for native ponies if its Championship show becomes a case of face-judging of professionals!
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